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Minutes from RIPE 55

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Wednesday, 9 May 2007 - 11:30 - 15:30 (UTC +0100)

Chair: Fearghas McKay, Mike Hughes
Minutes: Susannah Gray (RIPE NCC)
Jabber Scribe: Fergal Cunningham (RIPE NCC)

A. Administrative Matters

Fearghas welcomed the attendees and asked if anyone would like to add an item to the agenda. There were no additions. He asked if anyone had any objections to the minutes from RIPE 54. There were no objections and the minutes were approved.

B. Select a Scribe

Susannah Gray (RIPE NCC) was selected as scribe.

C. Selection of a new Co-Chair

Fearghas explained that Christian Panigl is standing down as a co-Chair of the EIX Working Group due to work commitments. He added that there were three nominations for the vacant seat:

  • Wolfgang Tremmel (DE-CIX Management)
  • Remco van Moek (
  • Bernhard W Krönung (DE-CIX Management Executive Board)

Fearghas mentioned that Bernhard could not attend the meeting but had sent a statement which would be read out on his behalf. He added that anyone else who would like to put themselves forward as a candidate should contact him or the other Working Group Chairs at the end of the session.

D. IXP Updates

AMS-IX Update
Elisa Jasinska

Louis Lee (Equinix) asked if all the ports that were lost were all upgrades

Elisa replied that she was not sure.

De-CIX Update
Arnold Nipper

There were no questions.

GigaPix Update
Carlos Friacas

There were no questions.

INEX Update
Nick Hilliard

There were no questions.

Linx Update
Mike Hughes

There were no questions.

Remco van Mook

There were no questions.

Nurani Nimpuno

There were no questions.

Josef Chomyn

There were no questions.

Wolfgang Tremmel

There were no questions.

Vix Update
Christian Panigl

Alex Koch explained that he had worked for a provider that used to do a lot of layer two connections to several exchanges and most of these are allowing layer two connections. He asked why Vix was not doing this. He suggested that Vix might be missing out on several parties that would probably connect to the exchange. Christian responded that he was aware of this and that these issues are always discussed with the membership. He explained that Vix is not bound to the decision of the membership because the exchange is operated and owned by the University of Vienna.

He continued that is is good policy to listen to what members prefer and at the moment them membership is saying they prefer stability over growth. He added that Vix has a small staff and the exchange is run with the manpower of 2.5 people and so anything which places additional burden has to be avoided, especially in the areas of complex trouble-shooting scenarios.

He explained that the exchange point is in the middle with two members either side who are both connected by different layer two providers. If the members have a problem connecting, the exchange point in the middle has to help with trouble-shooting. He added that this situation would probably place too much burden on the small team.

He continued that he was aware of the potental members that do not connect because this isn't offered and that the team is working on it and will try to find a soltution.

Christian added that the policy is loosening a little bit in cases where not much burden is expected. He asked that, if there is a desperate need for this, people should let him know and perhaps one or two cases could be used as a prototype to find out if it could be set up. A contract framework with the layer two providers could be defined in order to get a better understanding about who is responsible for which part when trouble-shooting is necessary.

Alex responded that he understands that trouble-shooting is not that easy. He encouraged Christian to take the time to investigate the options. He added that his organisation had been approached directly by some other exchange points as the layer two transport provider and that he understands it takes more time but there is definitely demand in the market.

Nick Hilliard (INEX) asked if the switch is completely quiet and produces no layer two traffic, how do you actually enforce people not to use layer two devices?

Christian responded that if someone wants to achieve this, they can and that if they are clever and do not introduce any trouble then the exchange won't detect it. He added that it is not really allowed though.

Akio Sugeno

There were no questions

E. Euro-IX Update

Serge Radovcic

There were no questions.

Report from NANOG
Mike Hughes Linx (rescheduled from Thursday)

There were no questions.

The session ended.

Thursday 25 October 11:00 - 12:30

Mike Hughes explained how the voting process would work and that a candidate would be selected using a single transferable vote (STV) system. He added that Roland Perry (RIPE NCC) would supervise the voting process.

He noted that, since yesterday, another candidate, Cara Mascini (Ams-ix), had come forward. The four candidates were:

  • Wolfgang Tremmel (DE-CIX Management)
  • Remco van Moek (
  • Bernhard W Krönung (DE-CIX Management Executive Board)
  • Cara Mascini (Ams-ix)

He continued that election statements from each of the candidates were uploaded onto the ROSIE.

Bernhard sent his apologies for being absent and Mike read his election statement on his behalf. The candidates each read their statements and voting took place.

The votes were then counted and the following results announced:

  • 90 valid votes
  • 3 spoiled
  • Cara Mascini received 46 votes and was therefore elected.

Mike thanked Christian Panigl for his work as the Working Group co-Chair and welcomed Cara Mascini into her new role.

H. 40/100GbE IEEEE & Progress update
Greg Hankins (Force10 Networks)

There were no questions.

The session ended.