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RIPE NCC Services Working Group
Date: 16 October 2013, 16:00-17:45
Chair: Kurtis Lindqvist
Scribe: Laura Cobley
Status: Final

A. Administrative Matters

The RIPE 66 minutes were approved.

B. RIPE NCC Survey Results

Serge Radovcic, RIPE NCC and Desiree Miloshevic, Oxford Internet Institute

The presentation is available at:

There were no questions regarding the survey.

C. RIPE NCC Outlook

Axel Pawlik, RIPE NCC

The presentation is available at:

There were no questions regarding Axel's presentation.

D. Services Update and Address Hijacking Issues

Andrew de la Haye, RIPE NCC

The presentation is available at:

Kurtis Lindqvist, RIPE NCC Services Working Group Chair, asked why 2007-01 appears to be generating the highest workload for the Registration Services department. Andrew explained that the project is nearing the end and more resources have been assigned to it.

Carsten Schiefner, DENIC eG, asked whether all or just some of the hijacks seen were sophisticated. Andrew reflected that the more sophisticated
approaches appear to be originating from people or companies that are
targeting multiple address blocks.

Mikael Abrahamsson, T-Systems, asked for the definition of "hijack". Andrew clarified that anyone illegitimately taking over someone else's resources would fall into this category. He further confirmed that if changes are made due to mergers or acquisitions over the years, these can be looked at individually and are not considered to be hijacks.

Pierre-Antoine Vervier, Symantec, asked whether the RIPE NCC had seen registry data being modified. Andrew confirmed that yes, this was the case.

There were no further questions.

E. Policy Proposals Update

RIPE NCC Services Working Group Chairs

The presentation is available at:

2012-07, RIPE NCC Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders

There were no comments or questions about this proposal.

2012-08, Publication of Sponsoring LIR for Independent Number Resources

Rüdiger Volk, Deutsche Telekom Technik GmbH, asked whether the reference to abuse tracking will be removed. The author (Nick Hilliard) clarified that the reference will not be mentioned in the policy itself and as such does not need to be removed.

2013-04, Resource Certification for non-RIPE NCC members

Rüdiger Volk, Deutsche Telekom Technik GmbH, expressed his interest in the implementation of this proposal. Andrew de la Haye promised that the RIPE NCC will solicit further feedback on the implementation from the community.

There were no further questions.

F. Open Microphone Session

There were no comments.


Wilfried Woeber, RIPE Database Working Group co-Chair, informed the audience that a formal procedure for RIPE Database deployments and the test environment will be discussed during Thursday's RIPE Database Working Group session. He encouraged interested parties to participate.

Kurtis reminded the community to vote in the RIPE PC elections on Friday morning.

Elvis Daniel Velea, V4Escrow, LLC, asked whether people who are not in the room will be able to vote in the NRO NC elections on Friday. Kurtis agreed to find out for tomorrow.

Kurtis thanked everyone for their participation and closed the session.