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Wednesday, 10 May 2017 - 16:00-17:30
Co-Chairs: Kurtis Lindqvist, Bijal Sanghani
Scribe: Amanda Gowland
Status: Draft

A. Administrative Matters (5 minutes)

• Welcome
• Select a Scribe
• Finalise Agenda
• Approve Minutes from RIPE 73
• NCC Services Chair Election Status

Kurtis welcomed everyone to their ‘favourite' WG and reminded RIPE NCC members to pick up their badge for the GM. He commented that there was a record number of attendees registered for the GM and asked that everyone leave the room as soon as the session ends so the GM can start on time.

Kurtis thanked the scribe and minutes from RIPE 73 were approved without comment.

He apologised for forgetting to post an announcement to the list about the chair election status for the WG and said they'd postpone it to RIPE 75 instead of rushing it.

B. RIPE NCC Update

Axel Pawlik, RIPE NCC (20 minutes)

The presentation is available at:

There were no questions

C. RIPE NCC Activities and Future Direction of Outreach

Dmitry Kohmanyuk, Hostmaster Ltd. (15 minutes)

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Jan Zorz, Internet citizen from the SEE region, said he liked the presentation and that Dmitry needed to solicit feedback from the ENOG community. He asked if he planned to do this presentation at the upcoming ENOG meeting.

Dmitry said he would.

Alexander Isavnin, Internet citizen, commented that there was a Regional BoF on the agenda to discuss regional community development and that this was planned before the RIPE NCC announced the changes to the ENOG meetings.

Randy Bush, IIJ, commented that they needed to focus on the creation of local NOGs rather than focusing too much on centralisation.

D. Engagement Efforts throughout the RIPE NCC Service Region

Paul Rendek, RIPE NCC (20 minutes)

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Yuri Kargapolov, ENOG PC member, commented via chat that the goal of ENOG should be in the area of finding working contacts with telcos, and two, they do not have a constructive programme for joint work with telcos. He added that ENOG does not work with the convergence, there is no engaged theme.

Piotr Strzyżewski, Silesian University of Technology, asked Paul if there was a contradiction of the RIPE NCC's stated focus on Eastern Europe and the cutting of funding of local events from two per per year to one.

Paul replied that the funding isn't being cut, it's growing. He said that there needs to be a mix according to what members are telling the RIPE NCC that they need. He added that they've already visited many countries in the region as well as the Middle East. The feedback they get is positive but Central Asia is a massive region, and travel to a regional meeting is a barrier of participation for many. They need more local events closer to home. So the plan is to extend outreach and support one strong regional meeting to bring everyone together.

Dmitry Kohmanyuk, Postmaster Ltd., asked Paul to bring up slide 23 and commented that Israel was part of Western Europe and Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia were listed as part of Eastern Europe and asked if they're considered Eastern Europe.

Paul said he was just giving regions, anyone can go to any meeting. For Israel, Arab staff would not be servicing Israel, outreach is through the European office.

Dmitry said there's 12 countries in the ENOG region and that there's been 12 meetings and seven have been in Russia. If they were evenly distributed, it would be more diverse. Doesn't see how having one meeting less a year helps. He commented that the percentages on the slide are incorrect.

Chris Buckridge, RIPE NCC, apologised for a mistake on the slide and said that the scale refers only to membership numbers. He clarified that the numbers for members are 77% in western Europe, 14% in eastern Europe and central Asia, 9% in the Middle East. He added that the events organised are actually a different scale which is not shown on there. They have 51% of their events in western Europe, 26% in eastern Europe and central Asia and 23% are held in the Middle East.

Alexander Isavnin said he supported Dmitry's suggestion to have more transparency on budget. He added that membership in Eastern Europe is 15% and that RIPE Meetings should return to that region once every four years. But a RIPE Meeting has never been in the region.

Nurani Nimpuno, Netnod, said she agreed with what Randy was saying about building local NOGs. The RIPE NCC has role in capacity building but not being the NOG of the world. She added that she enjoyed the slide set, she'd been asking for more topic-based issues to be discussed and was happy that the RIPE NCC had responded. She added that she was interested in important issues being tackled and not micromanaging.

Mohsen Souissi, AFNIC, commented that he was impressed by the team and what they've achieved so far. He added that Paul was able to explain the complexity very clearly and get results from that.

Filiz Yilmaz, Akamai Technologies, commented that she's had early involvement in the emergence of various NOGs like ENOG and MENOG and has been following their development. She added that the RIEP NCC has worked very successfully in those regions and congratulated the RIPE NCC in spending resources to ensure that outreach is spread diversely and not just at ENOG and MENOG. She added that the NOG concept is not so easily established in some regions because of various political issues (e.g. Turkey is not part of MENOG).

Yuri Kargapolov commented again on chat that it was clear that the ENOG format needed to change to have a more efficient platform for more stakeholders from different regions and countries. He said there is currently a lack of knowledge, understanding aims, targeted stakeholder events and that the new paradigm for ENOG should hit the brakes on any thoughts of separation.

Kurtis thanked everyone for their participation and apologised for cutting off the queue due to time constraints.

E. Technical Update

Kaveh Ranjbar, RIPE NCC (15 minutes)

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There were no questions

F. RIPE NCC Training Update

Rumy Kanis, RIPE NCC (15 minutes)

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Osama al Dosary, RIPE PC, asked about his request to make the material used for training to be released under a Creative Common licence. If there's an objection, let's hear it, if not, it would really help localisation efforts and developing knowledge.

Rumy said she was in favour of it and some of the material was already available.

Osama replied that there are PDFs but that the sources are not identified as CC.

Rob Evans commented on the academic partnership programme and said he had lots of contacts with the universities and would love to help.

G. Open Microphone Session (5 minutes)

There were no additional presentations.

Z. Any Other Business

No other AOBs.

Kurtis thanked everyone for their participation and closed the session.