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Wednesday, 14 May, 14:00-15:30

Working Group Chairs: Nigel Titley, Ulf Klieber

Scribe: Nigel Titley

A. Administrative Matters

  • Welcome
    Ulf Klieber is standing down for personal reasons
  • select scribe (Nigel Titley)
  • finalise agenda
    No additional agenda items
  • approval of minutes from previous WG meeting(s)
  • review of action list
    AP66.4 Abandoned
    AP67.1 Complete (See below)
    AP67.2 Complete (See below)
    AP67.3 Complete (See below)
    AP67.4 Ongoing
    AP67.5 Ongoing
    AP67.6 Ongoing

B. Data Base Operational Update (Denis Walker, Ed Shryane, RIPE NCC)

See presentation

All issues are now tracked in github (although this was noted to be not necessarily useful to people who were not familiar with Github)

Code base is open and in github

All releases are now made to a release candidate before going to production

The via: attribute has been added to autnum

Member resources are covered by abuse-c:

Roughly 33% of IPv4 and 44% of IPv6 PI space is covered by abuse-c:

Single Sign On (SSO) has been introduced which will allow the introduction of more features and services such as authenticated queries.

Pending route authorisation gives a hierachical authorisation process.

Documentation has been improved and is now linked to the version number

Hot node in Stockholm is now up and running and accepting queries (load balanced with Amsterdam)

aut-num now has a mandatory status ('ASSIGNED', 'LEGACY', 'OTHER') (automatically added)

All inetnum legacy objects have been set to status: LEGACY

sponsoring-org: has been added to end user objects

Unresolved features

Deprecate "referral-by:"

New flag to request personal data. Should this go ahead?

Only block person objects when limits reached (rather than everything)

Internationalisation? What business/syntax rules should we apply?

Replace changed: with created: and last-updated: attributed.

Stats show that 27.4% of changed: dates don't match the actual data.

Improved dummification algorithm removing slightly less data and standardised

Upcoming features

Improved user experience

Review of all error messages (does anyone parse them?)

History query to show deleted data

(it was noted that this potentially allowed the full history of an address block which one speaker thought may be a problem)

Role object no longer considered personal data (remove personal data)

Convert irt: object to role: object (and deprecate the irt: object)

Change syntax of role: to match organisation: (remove limitations on name (for example))

Allow change of person: and role: names (no legal issues)

Authenticated queries will allow unlimited access to personal data (for example)

Full re-implementation of auto cleanup including clusters of data

Deprecating object editors by using business rules to lock down appropriate fixed object parts

Server side as-set expansion (client performance improvement)

C. New DB-Software functionality

  • in test, scheduled for deployment (sponsoring LIR)
    See above. Sponsoring-org: is set to a dummy organisation at present in the RC database.

D. Removal of attributes

  • consensus on removing referral-by:, implementation
    Consensus has been reached. The NCC should remove this [AP68.1 [RIPE NCC]]
  • consensus on removing changed:, implementation
    Although there appears to have been consensus on the mailing list, RV objected and was asked to express this on the mailing list
  • status and implementation of last-modified - any open issues?
    Not as far as we have seen

E. 2012-07 implementation

See above

F. Status update on IETF WEIRDS activities (Ed Shryane, RIPE NCC)

See presentation

WHOIS is being replaced by WEIRDS for a number of reasons including a limited data model, no internationalisation, no authentication, no redirection and insecure.

WEIRDS covers names and numbers and uses the RDAP protocol over HTTP and HTTPS

It covers a limited number of objects. Contact should be made with the WEIRDS-WG to get additional objects added.

G. Personalised Authorisation (Denis Walker, RIPE NCC)

See presentation

The basic issue is that people do not understand the concept of a maintainer.

It would be better to group persons under a role associated with an org and use it as a maintainer.

This integrates better into SSO.

Y. Input from other Working Groups and/or Task Forces

Review of Abuse Contact Stuff


  • removal of geo-location functionality?
    No idea of who is likely to maintain this data. However there is now a crowd-sourced effort under way to try and maintain this data. Can the community please indicate if they are using it.
  • removal of white pages service?
    Is this now necessary?
  • creation of a TF for a major review of the DB environment?
    We probably need a TF to push forward with proposals for the un-resolved issues above.
    This could be an interim meeting between now and the next RIPE meeting. Please see either of the WG chairs.