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EIX-WG
May 5th, Thursday, 11:00 - 12:30
RIPE 50, Stockholm
Agenda
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A Scribe
B Agenda Bashing
C RIPE 49 Minutes Approval
5 minutes for all
D IXP Presentations
45 minutes
E RIPE NCC Presentation on Routing Registry & associated training courses
5 minutes
F Switching Wishlist
G The Great (Public vs Private) Peering Debate: Peering at 10Gbps
35 minutes
Minutes:
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A Scribe
Vesna Manojlovic from RIPE NCC
Attendance sheet circulated
B Agenda Bashing
Nothing to add
C RIPE 49 Minutes Approval
Minutes approved
D IXP Presentations
D.1 AMSIX, Cara Mascini
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-amsix.pdf
New product launched: 10GE.
Night traffic growing the most.
Using the TTM boxes to monitor their infrastructure .
D.2 DE-CIX, Bernhard Kroenung
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-decix.pdf
Partner program introduced. Not much difference to regular members.
First partner in Luxemburg.
Second technical meeting in April.
D.3 Equinix, Jay Adelson
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-equinix.pdf
Equinix is spread around the world (but not in Europe); co-location, used
to exchange traffic.
D.4 Gigapix, Carlos Friacas (FCCN)
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-gigapix.pdf.pdf
Small IX, the only one in Portugal.
D.5 INXS Munich, Martin McDermott
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-inxs.pdf
D.6 LINX, Mike Hughes
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-linx.pdf
MG8 now deployed. The "Faulty Towers" (sic) problem has been patched.
Will be upgrading the second LINX platform (currently Extreme) starting
later this year.
The new web site launched; old one still available.
D.7 NaMeX Rome, Daniele Arena
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-namex.pdf
Asked by the members to look into VoIP peerings. Had a working group on
it.
D.8 NIX.CZ Prague, Josef Chomyn
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-nix-cz.pdf
Q: What is the difference between members & customers?
A: Memebers can vote; customers have the same contieions, but can not
vote.
D.9 NDIX (Nl-De), Dietmar Hoelscher
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-ndix.pdf
D.10 Netnod Stockholm, Kurtis Lindqkvist
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-netnod.pdf
Located in 5 cities in Sweden, in caves/bunkers.
Sponsoring diner, have T-shirts with new logo.
D.11 NYIIX/LAIIX (Telehouse America), Sugeno Akio
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-laiix.pdf
Located in New York & Los Angeles.
D.12 Union-IXP, Fearghas McKay
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-union.pdf
New IXP in Central Scotland. Member-run.
D.13 VIX, Christian Panigl
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-vix.pdf
D.14 Euro-IX, Serge Radovcic
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-euroix.pdf
E RIPE NCC Presentation on Routing Registry & associated training courses,
Vesna Manojlovic
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-rr.pdf
F Switching Wishlist, Mike Hughes, LINX
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-wishlist.pdf
URL: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/maillists/archives/eix-wg/2005/msg00010.html
Want it to be a two-way dialog with vendors; to review vendor plans for
implementation before they get on with it.
mike@localhost for feedback.
Q (Christian): Dealine for comments?
A: If people are happy with v3.0, it will be published next week.
The rest of the feedback will e included in the version 3.1, and published
around next RIPE meeting.
Q (Gaurab): At APRICOT there was a sucessful operators wishlist
discussion. Maybe you would find that interesting to take a look.
A: Will take a look.
Note by Chair: If you are going to present on the EIX-WG meeting, it would
be useful to be subscribed to the mailing list, because I've posted the
agenda & the instructions about the upload to the list.
G "The Great (Public vs Private) Peering Debate: Peering at 10Gbps" - Bill
Norton
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-peering-debate.pdf
Disucssion: Additional Advantages of Public Peering:
5. (VIX) Peering slut (?!): benefit more from using route servers, for
easy management of peering sessions.
6. (AMSIX) Large public peering ports over private connections saves
engineers - you set up the peering once, instead of seting-up multiple
private ones.
7. (DE-CIX) Redundancy - if you have multiple connections on public
peering, and your partners also have multiple connections..
Second port is usually very cheap on most IXPs.
A: This model is about only one location; does not take into consideration
mulitple locations.
8. Cesnet: The costs are not that high in Enurope.
A: I will include those in later version of the spreadsheet.
Discussion: Additional Advantages of Private Peering:
Maurice from Google:
- Over-subscription can be monitored also on the public peering.
- You can use both.
Keith Mithel: Scaling can be a problem for private peerings.
Mike Hughes: People don't have enough back-haul away from the IX.
Malcom, Linx: "tapping" possibility would be known much in advance.
Maurice, Google: Change in the transition practices: put switches instead
of routers into IX.
Mike Hughes: Beware using just one or two routers in a metro, can have BGP
multipathing problems, leading to convergence problems".
The End: best bit now - the T-shirts by Netnod!