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Falco Nordmann - 2026-05-20 15:35:24
hello everybody, is there a working live-video link? The one sent via Mail is not working for me => 404
Vlastimil Drázský - 2026-05-20 15:35:46
Hi, i have same problem with link in email.
Simon Starborg - 2026-05-20 15:35:48
Yes it's not working for me either
Mark van Ginkel - 2026-05-20 15:36:01
Shame problem over here 404
Gellert Karanyi - 2026-05-20 15:36:08
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Enes Senturk - 2026-05-20 15:36:45
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aviel twito - 2026-05-20 15:37:01
Do u hear anything?
Mark van Ginkel - 2026-05-20 15:37:12
no
Roland Christanell - 2026-05-20 15:37:46
I think the lifestream will start working when the actual meeting starts at 16:00 UTC+1
Baxodirova Oqila - 2026-05-20 15:37:46
Hello, when will start voting?
Adrien Lemoine - 2026-05-20 15:37:55
The live stream will start at 4pm UTC+1, so more or less in 20minutes. I understand that the link will be available some minutes before
Alessandro Amirante - 2026-05-20 15:37:57
There's no audio/video yet. The session will start in ~30 minutes. The session in the main room is still running
Alessandro Amirante - 2026-05-20 15:38:28
well it's ~20 minutes actually
Sebastian Graef - 2026-05-20 15:40:25
Good afternoon everyone
Runar Molstad - 2026-05-20 15:40:37
17:00 CET
Baxodirova Oqila - 2026-05-20 15:43:41
Who knows how long the meeting will last?
Antoin Verschuren - 2026-05-20 15:47:02
Good Question. Who knows...
Roland Christanell - 2026-05-20 15:47:09
2hours? according to the last mail, voting is done after the meeting at "apporximately 18:00 UTC+1"
Carsten Heinrich - 2026-05-20 15:47:25
Hallo
Christoph Viethen - 2026-05-20 15:47:36
Meeting starts 17:00 CEST (UTC+2). It's summer (almost), folks. ;-)
Nicklas Yli-Länttä - 2026-05-20 15:47:39
Hello everyone
Guillaume Sicard - 2026-05-20 15:47:56
I saw yesterday precedent session was about 1 hour and half (and tomorrow will be around a few minutes)
Romans Kravcenko - 2026-05-20 15:48:04
Livestream is working now
Christoph Viethen - 2026-05-20 15:48:38
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Alexandre LOISEL - 2026-05-20 15:49:22
Hello all
Yann Barera - 2026-05-20 15:50:52
1
Thorsten Muller - 2026-05-20 15:50:59
2
Cyrill Arzer - 2026-05-20 15:51:05
3
Martin Svihalek - 2026-05-20 15:51:05
3
Georgios Tasioulis - 2026-05-20 15:51:11
3
Yann Barera - 2026-05-20 15:51:15
😀
Andreas Grabmüller - 2026-05-20 15:51:32
Will we get to 10?
Falco Nordmann - 2026-05-20 15:51:46
Either 5, 42 or 67
Peter Vybostok - 2026-05-20 15:51:51
😀
Christoph Viethen - 2026-05-20 15:52:13
0x05, 0x2A or 0x43 ? 😅
Cyrill Arzer - 2026-05-20 15:52:26
4
Ciprian Moldoveanu - 2026-05-20 15:52:28
ipv4
aviel twito - 2026-05-20 15:52:34
Hh
Karim Geiger - 2026-05-20 15:52:41
Can I get a number 4 with extra ketchup?
aviel twito - 2026-05-20 15:52:45
Ipv6
Mark van Ginkel - 2026-05-20 15:52:48
Bingo!
Roland Christanell - 2026-05-20 15:52:49
I am kind a confused
Thorsten Muller - 2026-05-20 15:52:56
lets go up to iipv8 ?
Gregory Poudrel - 2026-05-20 15:53:00
o/
Christoph Viethen - 2026-05-20 15:53:06
Oops wait, I'd like to stay with IPv6 please.
Charalampos Nikas - 2026-05-20 15:53:08
😆
Ciprian Moldoveanu - 2026-05-20 15:53:08
lumber 7
APPROIP SFR - 2026-05-20 15:53:11
7
APPROIP SFR - 2026-05-20 15:53:18
8
Andreas Grabmüller - 2026-05-20 15:53:19
This is the funniest GM I attended so far... ^^
Pierre-Emmanuel LE THIEC - 2026-05-20 15:53:35
Go to 10...
Andreas Grabmüller - 2026-05-20 15:53:39
9 is kinda quiet
Tönnies Kröger - 2026-05-20 15:54:00
10 too
Romans Kravcenko - 2026-05-20 15:54:21
11 is too quiet, can't hear it :)
Ciprian Moldoveanu - 2026-05-20 15:55:07
are we there yet?
Alejandro Piña Rodriguez - 2026-05-20 15:55:16
lets vote for option B!!
Norbert Bollow - 2026-05-20 15:55:17
Hello :)
Sebastien Brossier - 2026-05-20 15:55:56
Hello everyone
Mustafa Omer GOLGELI - 2026-05-20 15:55:58
B indeed... But there should have been a C. Even the upper limit is not enough for many LIRs.
Kieran Harkin - 2026-05-20 15:56:11
Charge Scheme B ftw
Ersan Seçgin - 2026-05-20 15:56:11
b seçeneğine oy verelim
aviel twito - 2026-05-20 15:56:26
Do u see video now?
Nikolai Voloshin - 2026-05-20 15:56:35
no
Network Team - 2026-05-20 15:56:35
who can i vote?
Mustafa Omer GOLGELI - 2026-05-20 15:56:47
https://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/meetings/may-2026/executive-board-election/candidate-biographies/
Antoin Verschuren - 2026-05-20 15:57:00
C would have been about number of allocations, not allocation size, so we all benefit from a smaller DFZ
Ersan Seçgin - 2026-05-20 15:57:45
nasıl oy kullanacağız
Falco Nordmann - 2026-05-20 15:58:30
I love they are listed in a random order on every page reload
Cyrill Arzer - 2026-05-20 15:58:40
B = ultimate choice for minor/small-scale LIRs
Alejandro Piña Rodriguez - 2026-05-20 15:59:45
B = Best option for all, more fair
Thorsten Muller - 2026-05-20 16:00:17
oh the F- word ...
Enes Senturk - 2026-05-20 16:00:19
We will choose B
Dirk Walde - 2026-05-20 16:00:32
Pay for what you use. Vote B !!!
Enes Genc - 2026-05-20 16:00:32
Choose B
Antoin Verschuren - 2026-05-20 16:00:45
B would raise the budget for RIPE even higher paying lawyers to fight the Dutch ACM. Raising fees 300% is not really legal in NL, not even if the members choose for it, Dutch law will prevail....
Ersan Seçgin - 2026-05-20 16:00:47
B doğru karar
Mustafa Omer GOLGELI - 2026-05-20 16:00:48
They just sent the email for the first vote.
Pavel Makhanko - 2026-05-20 16:01:00
Have a good day!
Georgios Tasioulis - 2026-05-20 16:01:21
"You will need to enter the code (your GM Registration Number) that you received in the email with the subject “Voting Code 2: RIPE NCC General Meeting May 2026”. " Has anyone received the voting code 2?
Mustafa Omer GOLGELI - 2026-05-20 16:01:38
"Raising fees 300% is not really legal in NL, not even if the members choose for it, Dutch law will prevail..." there was a discussion back in the day to move the HQ. Dutch law makes a lot of things too difficult lol
Fergal Cunningham - 2026-05-20 16:01:55
Hi. Voting will open at the end of the meeting today. You'll receive two emails before then.
Joris van Rooden - 2026-05-20 16:02:47
Has the meeting started? I don't see or hear anything.
Giovanni Rosa Gastaldo - 2026-05-20 16:02:57
Neither do I
Antoin Verschuren - 2026-05-20 16:03:01
Dutch law also protects against a lot of corruption other jurisdictions are not so good in...
Tom Hill - 2026-05-20 16:03:03
It hasn't. There's just some very excitable chat going on in here.
Guillaume Sicard - 2026-05-20 16:03:25
Voters will receive two emails during the GM - one with Voting Code 2 (your GM registration number) => GM registration number is in the first mail after registration on LIR portal
Fergal Cunningham - 2026-05-20 16:03:32
Yes, we're getting set up. The previous session ran late. But should start in five mins or so.
Joris van Rooden - 2026-05-20 16:03:40
thx
Jimmy Persson - 2026-05-20 16:03:53
What time does the voting start?
Juan Bonillo Molina - 2026-05-20 16:03:54
thanks
MUAMMER ALTUNTAŞ - 2026-05-20 16:04:14
Choosing plan B is the right choice because people have to pay for what they need.
Mustafa Omer GOLGELI - 2026-05-20 16:04:22
"Please note that the voting platform will only be accessible when the Chair of the General Meeting opens the election at approximately 18:00 (UTC+1)."
Shalom Burla - 2026-05-20 16:04:22
Why we must vote for Option A (One Fee) Don't let the short-term look of Option B fool you. Here is why Option A is the only safe choice: The "Boiling Frog" Trap: Option B looks comfortable now, but it introduces a complex tier system. When RIPE re-calculates the brackets next year to cover budget gaps, they will slowly turn up the heat. Prices will shoot up unpredictably for both large and small holders before we even realize it. Long-Term Cost Control: Option A keeps everyone on a single flat fee. If RIPE wants to raise prices, they have to face the entire community at once. This forces them to keep annual cost growth to an absolute minimum. No Hidden Bureaucracy: Managing a multi-category model increases RIPE’s administrative overhead. We will end up paying higher fees just to fund a complicated billing system. Summary: Option B splits the community and invites unpredictable yearly price hikes. Option A guarantees stability and keeps costs low for everyone.
Ersan Seçgin - 2026-05-20 16:04:26
2. mail geldi
Razvan Cojocaru - 2026-05-20 16:04:29
is the email we got legit? weird link to be using for this vote?
Hani Hussein - 2026-05-20 16:04:34
Hello!
Fergal Cunningham - 2026-05-20 16:05:19
The mail should come from Assembly Voting.
Runar Molstad - 2026-05-20 16:05:35
Option A is only option yes.
Guillaume Sicard - 2026-05-20 16:06:02
and I just received second mail with voting code 2 reminder (GM registration number) 🙂
Simon Starborg - 2026-05-20 16:06:06
Option A FTW
Falco Nordmann - 2026-05-20 16:06:41
@Shalom The prices in my case (1AS,2 /24) can rise for a long time until the flat fee is reached again. And I dont see why I need to pay same as say Telekom or Cogent with my small ISP - its just to much compared to what I use/need.
Jonas Schäfer - 2026-05-20 16:06:52
+1 Falco.
Mustafa Omer GOLGELI - 2026-05-20 16:06:53
"Option A keeps everyone on a single flat fee." Why would DTAG and that Hobyyist guy with a /24 (or none) would pay the same? That doesn't make sense. It only makes sense to those who hold lots of resources.
Roland Christanell - 2026-05-20 16:07:16
+1
Konstantin Roomet - 2026-05-20 16:07:20
+1
Robert Scheck - 2026-05-20 16:07:44
It seems to be clear how many resources you hold based on your voting recommendation ;-)
Mustafa Omer GOLGELI - 2026-05-20 16:08:26
I have 10++ /24s worth of it. But the current system is unfair. B, even though it is not enough, is better than A. Especially with the decreasing number of LIRs
Mustafa Omer GOLGELI - 2026-05-20 16:08:37
No audio?
Andreas Grabmüller - 2026-05-20 16:08:38
We had enought discussions on the mailing list, why does everyone need to tell people how they want them to vote in chat?
Ulka Athale - 2026-05-20 16:08:49
Hi everyone - when the floor is open for Q&A or comments, you can use your own audio/video to make a comment, or ask a question using the online Q&A. I will read questions out for the speakers. Please note that you are required to state your name and affiliation in both cases.
Andreas Wittkemper - 2026-05-20 16:08:59
Why should a PI holder only pay 75 EUR compared to a small LiR ? :-) If that is not solved first, Option B is pointless
Enes Genc - 2026-05-20 16:09:13
I have 6 blocks of 24/7 data. It's not fair that I have to pay the same price as large operators who have thousands of blocks.
Christoph Marker - 2026-05-20 16:09:34
anybody else no audio or just me?
Mark van Ginkel - 2026-05-20 16:09:35
do you what to sell some blocks :P
Mustafa Omer GOLGELI - 2026-05-20 16:09:40
I can't hear as well
Florian Blaser - 2026-05-20 16:09:48
Got audio here
Andreas Grabmüller - 2026-05-20 16:09:48
I have sound
Rinse Kloek - 2026-05-20 16:09:48
I have audio (Very loud even)
Mark van Ginkel - 2026-05-20 16:09:51
I have sound
Ole Andre Størdal - 2026-05-20 16:09:53
There is audio, but the mic is very loud
Enes Genc - 2026-05-20 16:09:54
I have 6 blocks of /24 IPv4. It's not fair that I have to pay the same price as large operators who have thousands of blocks.
Ciprian Moldoveanu - 2026-05-20 16:10:07
this lobby is not for lobbying :)
Mustafa Omer GOLGELI - 2026-05-20 16:10:12
Got it
Tom Hill - 2026-05-20 16:10:30
+1 Ciprian
Florian Blaser - 2026-05-20 16:10:32
😀
Shalom Burla - 2026-05-20 16:10:38
Everyone wants to pay less right now, but Option B is a trap. * The "Custom" Pricing Trap: Once RIPE sets up "custom" categories, they will re-calculate brackets every year to balance their budget. It creates a slippery slope of endless price increases that will never stop. The Boiling Frog: It looks comfortable now, but they will slowly turn up the heat. Because we will be divided into different tiers, the community won't be able to fight back together. Option A is Safety: A single flat fee forces RIPE to keep costs low because any price hike unites the entire community against them.
Paolo DI FRANCESCO - 2026-05-20 16:11:01
Got audio here
Karim Geiger - 2026-05-20 16:11:16
Thanks for the LLM output, Shalom
Jimmy Persson - 2026-05-20 16:11:23
lol
Javier Cabado - 2026-05-20 16:11:24
Very good point Shalom!!
Antoin Verschuren - 2026-05-20 16:11:41
Don't look at the IPv4 market price, that's something RIPE doesn't control, look at the work RIPE needs to do for you. I could live with a differentiation on number of allocations, but not allocation size. Some allocations are more expensive than others in the market, but RIPE is not a market. We need to make sure RIPE can do it's work well, not have a cheapest bill as possible. Normal Internet users like your neighbor (not LIRs) all depend on our governance.
Sascha Lenz - 2026-05-20 16:13:40
🍿
Ciprian Moldoveanu - 2026-05-20 16:14:18
can we fast forward to voting?
Andreas Wittkemper - 2026-05-20 16:14:24
🍎
Enes Genc - 2026-05-20 16:14:59
I have 6 /24 IPv blocks. It's not fair that I have to pay the same price as large operators who have tens of thousands of blocks. Furthermore, I don't want to cover all their expenses.
Andreas Grabmüller - 2026-05-20 16:15:03
No. This is a GM. If you just want to vote, you could always do that in a few hours without participating in the meeting.
Robert Scheck - 2026-05-20 16:15:05
If you don't care about the GM, just quit and wait until the voting has opened? ;-(
Razvan Cojocaru - 2026-05-20 16:15:34
Also you can vote until Friday, so no rush there.
Ciprian Moldoveanu - 2026-05-20 16:15:47
i am afraid to wait alone
Enes Genc - 2026-05-20 16:17:13
RIPE GM VOTE B
Ole Andre Størdal - 2026-05-20 16:17:18
Please adjust the mic 😬
Simon Starborg - 2026-05-20 16:17:29
Yeah h
Simon Starborg - 2026-05-20 16:17:39
That mic is clipping bad
Rinse Kloek - 2026-05-20 16:18:02
Enes. that's not true. It's not the # of /24 allocations but total allocations based on number by /24's
Ole Andre Størdal - 2026-05-20 16:18:11
Oddly, the audio test earlier was better than this
Antoin Verschuren - 2026-05-20 16:18:12
Enes: What expenses? What if a large operator only has 1 IPv4 block, but it's 1 /8 ? You have 6 blocks, so you should pay 6 times more that the LIR that only has 1 /8.
Rinse Kloek - 2026-05-20 16:19:03
One of my customer has a /16 and that counts as 256 /24's
Karim Geiger - 2026-05-20 16:19:22
Good
Rinse Kloek - 2026-05-20 16:19:37
Even that customer is gonna pay almost 4 times the amount he now pays
Antoin Verschuren - 2026-05-20 16:19:50
And RIPE only does the ALLOCATION. The assignments are made by the LIRs themselves...
Martin Rehorovsky - 2026-05-20 16:20:13
4 times fee for having 50x more adresses than average LIR seems fair to me
Rinse Kloek - 2026-05-20 16:20:52
True, and they don't complain about this. For them it's just a smal l part of their budget
Enes Genc - 2026-05-20 16:21:03
IPv4 holdings • Total IPv4 addresses: 65,792 (257 × /24 units) • Falls into range: 65,536–131,071 (256 × /24 units –512 × /24 units) • IPv4 category: 10
Antoin Verschuren - 2026-05-20 16:21:33
RIPE is not a market place for IPv4, they are maintaining the allocations for all of us.
Fergal Cunningham - 2026-05-20 16:21:41
The AV people are looking into the microphone issues.
Markus Jungbluth - 2026-05-20 16:21:44
The way in which Option B is currently described, does not clearly state that the fees per category are to be multiplied by the amount of prefixes that fall in a certain category. It is implied in multiple locations in the document, but not clearly stated in my opinon. I think this should be stated more clearly.
Ole Andre Størdal - 2026-05-20 16:21:54
Thanks Fergal
Enes Genc - 2026-05-20 16:22:01
The calculation relates to the total number of IP addresses, not the number of blocks.
Vladislav Bidikov - 2026-05-20 16:22:13
On my side - audio is perfect...
Jonas Schäfer - 2026-05-20 16:23:04
@Markus: I cannot reproduce what you write on pricing.ripe.net
Sascha Lenz - 2026-05-20 16:23:07
The audio is certtainly not perfect, but it's fine to understand so far, that's all that counts (for me at least, mileage may vary of course)
Radoslav Petrov - 2026-05-20 16:23:26
So option a or B, what to vote
Alejandro Piña Rodriguez - 2026-05-20 16:23:49
B
Enes Genc - 2026-05-20 16:23:53
@Antoin /8 owners will pay €27,058 for their /8
Antoin Verschuren - 2026-05-20 16:24:01
C
Sascha Lenz - 2026-05-20 16:24:05
. o O(but I miss a "mute" option for spammers in chat, or don't I just see the right button? Never needed it so far)
Karsten Spiess - 2026-05-20 16:24:19
I honestly don’t see why I should pay almost the same fee as huge operators like Deutsche Telekom. RIPE today is much more than just IPv4 allocation management. A lot of the work is shared infrastructure: RPKI, Atlas, routing security, governance, automation and registry services that benefit everyone. But if contributions are supposed to reflect resource usage, then it also makes sense that very small LIRs should not carry nearly the same financial burden as very large resource holders. For small networks like mine, Option B feels more proportional and economically realistic.
Rinse Kloek - 2026-05-20 16:24:28
I think it could be helpfull to have the Category (on pricing.ripe.net) be clickeable /linked so you can easily see the different categories and how close you are to the next category
Cyrill Arzer - 2026-05-20 16:25:13
Good one, Karsten!
Radoslav Petrov - 2026-05-20 16:25:18
Afrinic has End User category, perfect for homelab
Bruno Spiquel - 2026-05-20 16:25:27
@karsten having a strictly proportionnal fee (+ a light fix, like 200€) would be great. We may even get some IPv4 back in the free pool :)
Dirk Walde - 2026-05-20 16:25:53
I am willing to pay for a second /24, but I have already waited two years for the first one—and right now, I can't get a second one at all.
Adrian Nöthlich - 2026-05-20 16:26:11
@Rinse When you are logged in to your LIR account you see what pricing would apply and you can test around how new assignments would change your cost.
Falco Nordmann - 2026-05-20 16:26:19
Option B also benefits everyone deploying IPv6 over IPv4. The less IPv4 you use/need/own the less you will pay.
Karsten Spiess - 2026-05-20 16:26:19
Dirk u could buy a /24 at the market?
Rinse Kloek - 2026-05-20 16:26:31
@Adrian, yes I know. but I cannot find the whole list of categories
Clément Cavadore - 2026-05-20 16:26:38
@bruno: that would change the way NCC is taxed by dutch authorities, as it would make the NCC become not "non for profit" anymore.
Pieter Zeldenthuis - 2026-05-20 16:26:40
If larger operators pay a larger part of RIPE expenditure, are voting rights also divided proportionate?
Adrian Nöthlich - 2026-05-20 16:27:00
@Rinse It's in the document linked at the GM notes: https://www.ripe.net/media/documents/RIPE_NCC_Charging_Scheme_2027_Option_B_Category_Model.pdf
Karsten Spiess - 2026-05-20 16:27:03
Pieter, that would fit i guess....
Antoin Verschuren - 2026-05-20 16:27:16
Ask at the Mikc when it comes up Pieter...
Rinse Kloek - 2026-05-20 16:27:25
@Adrian, thanks. would be nice to have that linked on the pricing page
Clément Cavadore - 2026-05-20 16:27:27
(otoh, that could be an interesting exercise to calculate those taxes, but that would lead to additionnal costs on the whole structure)
Bruno Spiquel - 2026-05-20 16:27:30
@clement mmm ... i guess authorities still doesn't have the right sense of what is "for profit" or not :p
Rinse Kloek - 2026-05-20 16:27:39
I see it's in the right bottom
Adrian Nöthlich - 2026-05-20 16:28:08
@Rinse it is at the "Read supporting documents", a bit hidden
Tom Barthe - 2026-05-20 16:29:50
Thank you!
Falco Nordmann - 2026-05-20 16:30:01
And: Option B might lead some LIRs to drop their unused IPv4 allocations to reduce their yearly RIPE fees, what might have a positive effect on the IPv4 availability and prices.
Antoin Verschuren - 2026-05-20 16:30:44
But it increase de-aggregation, so we all pay for more memory in our routers for a larger DFZ...
Bruno Spiquel - 2026-05-20 16:30:49
850M IP, 41M€ budget ... meaning a /24 v4 needs to contribute 1.15 € .. still non-profit :)
Ciprian Moldoveanu - 2026-05-20 16:31:20
https://pricing.ripe.net/ it's simple to understand the pricing...
Randy Bush - 2026-05-20 16:34:29
i believe tha members should have received an email with an estimate of their fee under the two proposals.
Adrian Nöthlich - 2026-05-20 16:34:59
Yes they did Randy :)
Radoslav Petrov - 2026-05-20 16:35:05
How much does it cost to operate a database :p
Simon Starborg - 2026-05-20 16:39:55
Post your total IPv4 adresses people :)
Rinse Kloek - 2026-05-20 16:40:43
One drawback of Option B is that it will stimulate people selling Ipv4 and implementing CGNAT
Rinse Kloek - 2026-05-20 16:40:51
will/could
Jonas Schäfer - 2026-05-20 16:41:27
I would expect CGNAT hardware and subscriptions for that hardware to be vastly more expensive than anything realistically achieved by selling IP space.
Kieran Harkin - 2026-05-20 16:41:30
If people are selling their ips the price will go down, so less of a reason to CGNAT no?
Rinse Kloek - 2026-05-20 16:41:59
@Jonas, that's not completely true. I presented about it @ RIPE86
Rinse Kloek - 2026-05-20 16:42:36
@Kieran, if the demand side drops, that's true
Falco Nordmann - 2026-05-20 16:42:49
@Rinse Using less IPv4 is not a drawback.
Rinse Kloek - 2026-05-20 16:43:11
Less IPv4 , more IPv6 ?
Falco Nordmann - 2026-05-20 16:43:16
+1
Adrian Nöthlich - 2026-05-20 16:43:43
Everyone with a vastly clear mind at an ISP would move to more IPv6 focussed operations instead of implementing CGNAT
Romans Kravcenko - 2026-05-20 16:45:15
IPv6 also will cost you a lot under B model. See in calculator... seems we have shortage of IPv6 now
Falco Nordmann - 2026-05-20 16:46:30
First /29 is free. You need more?
Mick O'Donovan - 2026-05-20 16:46:43
Deal in facts Romans!
Ciprian Moldoveanu - 2026-05-20 16:46:46
75% from the total number of RIPE LIRs have under 15x/24, so, the voting result is pretty clear :)
Tönnies Kröger - 2026-05-20 16:46:51
more is never enought
Alex Zensiri - 2026-05-20 16:47:27
The calculator says I can get a /26 of IPv6 before I go over 2000 Euros a month.
Tom Hill - 2026-05-20 16:47:41
Speakers please do get the mic closer to you
Tom Hill - 2026-05-20 16:47:47
Pete was a bit quiet there
Ole Andre Størdal - 2026-05-20 16:48:22
The speakers on the floor have correctly adjusted mics..the mic on the stage is clipping badly, and too loud..
Tom Barthe - 2026-05-20 16:48:26
Thank you
Oriana Palivan - 2026-05-20 16:48:39
Yes sorry, clicked by mistake ;)
Randy Bush - 2026-05-20 16:49:08
the american idiom is "pocket dial"
Sander Steffann - 2026-05-20 16:49:20
👍
Tom Hill - 2026-05-20 16:49:26
@randy not "butt dial"?
Randy Bush - 2026-05-20 16:49:44
"pocket" is gender neutral
Markus Ruppel - 2026-05-20 16:50:24
"butt" seems to be as well... 😉
Karim Geiger - 2026-05-20 16:50:29
I don't know, women's clothes mostly don't have pockets
Tom Hill - 2026-05-20 16:50:38
indeed
Niklaus Hofer - 2026-05-20 16:58:10
Really appreciated RIPE presence at WHY last summer
Marco d'Itri - 2026-05-20 17:02:42
I think that the Dubai LLC being almost ready to operate is kind of becoming a running joke at this point... :-)
Gert Doering - 2026-05-20 17:03:10
what is that Dubai LLC thing? I missed a memo there
Hans Petter Holen - 2026-05-20 17:04:09
Converting the branch office into a wholly owned Free Zone LLC. ie separate legal entity rather than branch office
Gert Doering - 2026-05-20 17:04:59
thanks. Anywhere to read up why it's being slow?
Alexandre LOISEL - 2026-05-20 17:05:54
hello do you know, when can we vote ?
Randy Bush - 2026-05-20 17:06:05
after 18:00
Alexandre LOISEL - 2026-05-20 17:06:18
ok, we receive a link?
Radoslav Petrov - 2026-05-20 17:06:25
Vote A
Randy Bush - 2026-05-20 17:06:26
you should have!!!
Alexandre LOISEL - 2026-05-20 17:06:27
and the vote is finish at what time ?
Mustafa Omer GOLGELI - 2026-05-20 17:06:28
Via email, you should've received
Romans Kravcenko - 2026-05-20 17:06:37
voting platform will only be accessible when the Chair of the General Meeting opens the election at approximately 18:00 (UTC+1).
Sander Steffann - 2026-05-20 17:06:59
Check for mail from Assembly Voting
Romans Kravcenko - 2026-05-20 17:06:59
that was in email
Alexandre LOISEL - 2026-05-20 17:07:33
of course i have it thank's
Mustafa Omer GOLGELI - 2026-05-20 17:07:36
Candidates: https://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/meetings/may-2026/executive-board-election/candidate-biographies/ Charging Scheme: https://www.ripe.net/media/documents/RIPE_NCC_Charging_Scheme_2027_Option_B_Category_Model.pdf
Fergal Cunningham - 2026-05-20 17:07:40
Voting stays open from end of today's meeting until 09:00 UTC+1 on Friday.
Alexandre LOISEL - 2026-05-20 17:07:56
ok thank's
Romans Kravcenko - 2026-05-20 17:08:01
also we can vote until Friday :) yepp
Gert Doering - 2026-05-20 17:14:01
clouds of doom...
Fergal Cunningham - 2026-05-20 17:14:17
Every cloud has a silver lining, Gert.
Rinse Kloek - 2026-05-20 17:14:18
Clouds of Scotland
Sascha Lenz - 2026-05-20 17:14:43
⛈️🌩️⛈️🌩️⛈️🌩️
Randy Bush - 2026-05-20 17:14:54
i saw it as a dragon snorting flame
Gert Doering - 2026-05-20 17:15:34
having cakes on the slide and nothing in the room and a long charging scheme discussion ahead...
Hans Petter Holen - 2026-05-20 17:16:00
I will take a note of that for the next cake discussion
Randy Bush - 2026-05-20 17:16:01
not fair!!!! i cannot get to cakes!!!
Martin Rehorovsky - 2026-05-20 17:16:04
the cake is a lie
Faisal Rashid - 2026-05-20 17:23:04
glad the board is recommending option B, makes sense
Gert Doering - 2026-05-20 17:23:15
I am expressedly unhappy with the recommendation for option B
Sander Steffann - 2026-05-20 17:23:25
We follow the recommendations from the task force
Gert Doering - 2026-05-20 17:23:35
present A and B as requested by the members, fine. *recommend* one of them, not
Alfredo Sola - 2026-05-20 17:23:42
Me too. Happen to be in the unfortunate 25%.
Tom Hill - 2026-05-20 17:23:43
+1 Gert
Brian Nisbet - 2026-05-20 17:24:02
The Board would frequently recommend an option on this kind of thing.
Javier Cabado - 2026-05-20 17:24:03
Yes, rcommendation is biased
Hans Petter Holen - 2026-05-20 17:24:14
B is the model based on the principles from the task force. A is the old model
Gert Doering - 2026-05-20 17:24:21
B creates a significant imbalance between "payment" and "member rights", which is not sufficiently thought through
Runar Molstad - 2026-05-20 17:24:22
If option B then voting must be adjusted to how mutch you pay!
Ole Andre Størdal - 2026-05-20 17:24:44
A monopoly organisation that significantly bumps up price for no added value in return..kinda interesting..
Gavin Watson - 2026-05-20 17:24:46
I missed it, have they decided already?
Hans Petter Holen - 2026-05-20 17:25:04
No, this is up for a membership vote today.
Ashley Young - 2026-05-20 17:25:04
Official Votes is one thing, but 'unofficial' power is something else.
Faisal Rashid - 2026-05-20 17:25:29
bigger users must pay their fair share, its only fair, currently smaller LIRs are subsidizing huge LIRs
Gert Doering - 2026-05-20 17:26:05
sure, but why should then smaller LIRs have the same voting power as bigger LIRs paying 60x the amount?
Tom Hill - 2026-05-20 17:26:20
Votes just got cheaper
Rinse Kloek - 2026-05-20 17:26:29
Independent of how much tax you pay in the NL, you have just one vote
Markus Melicher - 2026-05-20 17:26:52
clap clap
Romans Kravcenko - 2026-05-20 17:26:59
PI was solving that problem, with it you have addresses and was not paying LIR fee at all
Martin Rehorovsky - 2026-05-20 17:27:05
shocker, the largest members have the time and resources to lobby for option A 😁
Gert Doering - 2026-05-20 17:27:55
"not voicing a recommendation" is not the same as "reject the model"
Ashley Young - 2026-05-20 17:28:12
Sunk cost fallacy is not a defence
Gert Doering - 2026-05-20 17:28:33
also, members have voted a number of times very clearly for a *simple* scheme... so the argument "people have asked for this!!! all the time!! make it stop!" is not a good one
Alfredo Sola - 2026-05-20 17:28:58
I reject the amount. We are paying more than twice as much as 10 years ago with about the same amount of resources while accumulated inflation is less than 40%.
Adrian Nöthlich - 2026-05-20 17:29:30
If I think about the GM in Rotterdam where this was topic was brought up as well and there were members with a lot of resources vouching to move to a charging scheme like proposed in model B
Alfredo Sola - 2026-05-20 17:29:33
and that would be under the most favorable scheme
Tom Hill - 2026-05-20 17:29:44
@Ashley, how would one apply the 'sunk cost fallacy' apply here? In IPv4?
Geert Hauwaerts - 2026-05-20 17:29:45
RIPE NCC should shrink in size & operations, not expand.
Alfredo Sola - 2026-05-20 17:29:59
Indeed
Falco Nordmann - 2026-05-20 17:32:07
This is how a democratic society works: People with more resources pay higher taxes because they can afford it and can support those who have less. However, everyone still has the same power when it comes to elections, since each person has one vote.
Faisal Rashid - 2026-05-20 17:32:20
true
Angelo Lukas - 2026-05-20 17:32:34
Good point
Fabian Friesenecker - 2026-05-20 17:32:35
the audience mics are still significantly lower in volume...
Matteo Filiberto Sciacca - 2026-05-20 17:32:35
+1 Falco
Alejandro Piña Rodriguez - 2026-05-20 17:32:40
🙌
Rinse Kloek - 2026-05-20 17:32:50
The strongest shoulders wear the heaviest burdens.
Adrian Nöthlich - 2026-05-20 17:32:53
And just compare this to sharing a flat with different people. You pay rent based on the area you take for yourself and you contribute rent to the area used by everyone. If you take more space (regarding the flat or IPs) you pay more. This is only fair.
Marco d'Itri - 2026-05-20 17:33:03
should the GM be paused for a few minutes to allow the stenographer to catch up? having a non-real time transcription is much less useful
Markus Melicher - 2026-05-20 17:33:10
Falco Nordmann - Some NREN have huge address spaces -> Do you thing EDU in general get's the finances that they need?
REMZİ TOKER - 2026-05-20 17:33:12
Option A is the most suitable option.
REMZİ TOKER - 2026-05-20 17:33:22
Option A is the most suitable option.
Dirk Walde - 2026-05-20 17:34:27
It's time for Option B
Vlastimil Drázský - 2026-05-20 17:34:49
Why haven't you opened the voting yet?
Bruno Spiquel - 2026-05-20 17:35:04
because the discussion is still on progress ?
Karla Liddle-White - 2026-05-20 17:35:30
Voting can only open after the Chair declares it open.
Falco Nordmann - 2026-05-20 17:35:36
@Markus Most of the big blocks owned by them is legacy space which will be taken into the calculation with only +75€.
Ole Andre Størdal - 2026-05-20 17:35:41
Voting after 18:00 UTC+1; voting opens in about 25 (at the earliest)
Tom Hill - 2026-05-20 17:36:08
@Falco source?
Falco Nordmann - 2026-05-20 17:36:17
whois
Runar Molstad - 2026-05-20 17:36:17
Differentiating the fee is OK but it is not a fair model to have a exponential difference from 1 to 60x...! This should not be the first step in this direction!
Markus Melicher - 2026-05-20 17:36:26
@Falco Nordmann That is not true :) for our NREN i have seen the increase of around +10 000 EUR MORE!!!
Mick O'Donovan - 2026-05-20 17:36:32
@Vlastimil there is a posted agenda to the GM just every other and the opening of the voting is one of them items!!!
Marco d'Itri - 2026-05-20 17:36:35
I totally agree with Remco: option B would have been much more palatable after solving the legacy+PI question
Tom Hill - 2026-05-20 17:36:39
@Falco *credible* source? ;D
Markus Melicher - 2026-05-20 17:36:50
@Falco -> of course based on provided RIPE calculator!
Martin Rehorovsky - 2026-05-20 17:39:21
@marcus perhaps that is something the leadership should consider if the option B is selected. return some of it into circulation to reduce your fees.
REMZİ TOKER - 2026-05-20 17:39:33
Friends, the old system is the best; believe me, the new one is a disaster.
REMZİ TOKER - 2026-05-20 17:41:01
They're already not providing value for the money they're getting, and now they're just trying to figure out how to make even more money. They're demanding IPv6, asking us to open thousands of records in the system so they can see what they're using :) They don't deserve the money they're getting.
Vladislav Bidikov - 2026-05-20 17:41:21
all NRENs/Universities will have +300% more cost (even for small NRENs) And the number of NRENs / Universities is a bit limited and easily located into the Ripe DB. So this needs to be maybe future analyzed - these entities are already not-for-profit which means price increase will even make risking going very dangerous path.
Markus Melicher - 2026-05-20 17:41:26
@Martin that will never happen, because the IP space is in use. The resolution of B would mean only one thing... Public funds in many states will be squeezed out and in the end? TAX payers will pay for that.. it's easy... The goal of option B is to push big networks to return IP space. nothing more. But in the end RIPE will push all more and more for money. The best way would be to decrease the fees and not increase.
Rinse Kloek - 2026-05-20 17:42:02
Fair point of Job!
Mustafa Omer GOLGELI - 2026-05-20 17:42:28
I'm part of the 25% as well. But to me, smaller LIRs shouldn't have to carry the operational burden of bigger LIRs at the same price point. (Database, tickets, personnel etc...) So option B is saner than the other 2 for me. But they tried to adjust the numbers to match the current income, and tried to "not scare" the big resource holders. which is not ideal... Even option B is not sufficient in my opinion.
Gert Doering - 2026-05-20 17:42:43
I agree on the "well executed preparation" bit, and having the final-fee calculator in the LIR portal is a very good thing, so thank you for that
Tom Hill - 2026-05-20 17:43:08
hell, I'm grey enough to remember the last time we got rid of categories.
Gert Doering - 2026-05-20 17:43:22
Tom: +1, so am I
Rinse Kloek - 2026-05-20 17:43:26
I only don't really understand the point of having that > 15 categories
Markus Melicher - 2026-05-20 17:43:48
RIPE as one member = one vote has 3 decades had 1 fee = 1 member. To change this means let's change from NL to a state / LLC that has the logic -> bigger space = more votes... I would like to see then the result!
Tönnies Kröger - 2026-05-20 17:43:50
The Problem with charging the bigger companies more is, that they will just Forward the Costs, so every customer has to pay more. Don't think the Costs won't be forwarded.
Sascha Lenz - 2026-05-20 17:43:54
nah, for the first time in 26-or-so-years I have to split my votes since the first time some CEOs or some members I am voting for actually CARED, just because of the price being listed directly in the mails!!1!!!! bad choice! ;-)
Tim Jonathan Heske - 2026-05-20 17:44:14
For large operators holding thousands of prefixes, the maximum fee is virtually insignificant relative to their operational budget, making the redistribution argument largely symbolic. Option A is already a low enough barrier for entry for smaller operators. There is no reason to make this change.
Rinse Kloek - 2026-05-20 17:44:39
I think that's been done by large telco's the RIPE NCC fee is just small beer for hem
Rinse Kloek - 2026-05-20 17:44:41
them
REMZİ TOKER - 2026-05-20 17:44:50
mustafa sana katılmıyorum
Rinse Kloek - 2026-05-20 17:45:06
For a medium sized ISP in NL they will go from 3k to 10k. That's so small
Rinse Kloek - 2026-05-20 17:45:28
If you have a budget of ~300M per year
Gert Doering - 2026-05-20 17:45:46
an ISP with a budget of 300M is not "medium sized"
Rinse Kloek - 2026-05-20 17:45:58
@Gert maybe it's a Large ISP :)
Tom Hill - 2026-05-20 17:46:18
One of the biggest misconceptions amongst folks that I've seen, is that "big" ISPs are concerned with the cost associated with their holdings. They are not.
Rinse Kloek - 2026-05-20 17:46:33
My example is an ISP that is in Category 11
Tom Hill - 2026-05-20 17:47:31
There are much broader problems to consider, that will resonate far into the future, that must be considered very carefully -- proper funding in a declining IPv4 world and the stability of RIPE are much more complex than anything pertaining to an individual member's bill.
Tom Hill - 2026-05-20 17:47:43
*of the RIPE NCC
Tom Hill - 2026-05-20 17:48:32
This is not a David. vs. Goliath problem, and it never has been (despite being represented as such many times in the last 2 hours)
Dirk Walde - 2026-05-20 17:49:33
We could simply switch off IPv4 worldwide, and all IP addresses would be reclaimed by the registries. Then the problem would be solved once and for all. Everyone hands back their IPv4 addresses—and that’s the end of IPv4.
Tom Hill - 2026-05-20 17:50:03
@Dirk we'd have to start another task force to figure out how to fund the RIPE NCC (should option B go through)
REMZİ TOKER - 2026-05-20 17:51:07
Category A is always the best, no doubt about it.
Markus Melicher - 2026-05-20 17:51:24
RIPE NCC calculator on one NREN - btw - funded by really minimal public funds: Option A - 1994 EUR Option B - 12707 EUR ...
REMZİ TOKER - 2026-05-20 17:51:25
Who will vote for what?
Niklaus Hofer - 2026-05-20 17:51:42
B
Faisal Rashid - 2026-05-20 17:51:53
We cant have companies like Amazon AWS and Microsoft Azure be charged category A
Runar Molstad - 2026-05-20 17:52:00
No CEO in those companies have a clue that this cost will come... So I expect that there will be more complaints when this is will be known by the CEO/CFO/CTO's in those members.....
Mustafa Omer GOLGELI - 2026-05-20 17:52:07
It could have been a flat fee with a fair share policy for tickets, DB usage and so on. The burden of bigger LIRs on the system is not the same as smaller LIRs. I don't know why they didn't humor this as an option.
Vladislav Bidikov - 2026-05-20 17:52:11
@Markus Melicher - University in MKD has even crazier example :)
Dirk Assum - 2026-05-20 17:53:49
A common misconception still seems to be that RIPE rents out IP addresses. However, the main task of the RIPE NCC is the management and allocation of internet resources.
Mustafa Omer GOLGELI - 2026-05-20 17:55:30
@Markus Melicher, I see what you did there. :D
Markus Melicher - 2026-05-20 17:55:48
@Mustafa why not to ask it? ;)
Mustafa Omer GOLGELI - 2026-05-20 17:56:00
You were faster than I am. :D
Dirk Assum - 2026-05-20 17:58:19
He's right. And a /24 and a /8 are both _one_ resource to be managed ...
Tönnies Kröger - 2026-05-20 17:58:50
agree with him, its like 9 wolves and a sheep is voting for the dinner.
Adrian Nöthlich - 2026-05-20 17:59:38
@Dirk think about related resources, route entries, Abuse contacts, RPKI entries, etc. etc.
Mustafa Omer GOLGELI - 2026-05-20 18:00:21
It's not the resources that cost a lot. It's upkeeping them and handling people. If there is a fair-share usage, I think even smaller but "chatty" LIRs could've paid their share of the costs. DB, Tickets, RPKI etc. all costs money to upkeep. There were lots of these talks in the Better Ripe telegram channel as well.
Dirk Assum - 2026-05-20 18:00:28
@Adrian: these are DB objects - not ressouces.
Gert Doering - 2026-05-20 18:02:42
noooo...
Adrian Nöthlich - 2026-05-20 18:03:04
@Dirk True, wrong wording, but the point still stands. And RIPE NCC is still responsible for maintaining database operations etc.
Egil Silfver - 2026-05-20 18:03:17
B
Romans Kravcenko - 2026-05-20 18:04:06
but running a servers is a flat fee, and everyone use it to get public info even not paying members :)
Tom Hill - 2026-05-20 18:04:14
*clap* that was very amicable
Runar Molstad - 2026-05-20 18:04:18
So legacy resources are excluded?????
Tom Hill - 2026-05-20 18:04:37
@Runar flat fee of 75EUR
Mustafa Omer GOLGELI - 2026-05-20 18:04:53
"Not wanting it" doesn't make it a better choice. That's such a baseless defense. And charging people extra for when they exceed the resources could have been just a a payment link on usage lol..
Tönnies Kröger - 2026-05-20 18:04:59
who will be surprised if we get 75% on Option B?
REMZİ TOKER - 2026-05-20 18:05:39
Mustafa bey 21 bloğunuz var a kategorisi nasıl size daha uygun geliyor?
Jonas Schäfer - 2026-05-20 18:05:44
Given the amount of large members who spoke for Option B, I would indeed be surprised if we only ended up at 75% for Option B.
Clément Cavadore - 2026-05-20 18:05:53
especially when we have some Google, Cloudflare, or AWS saying they are fine with option B.
REMZİ TOKER - 2026-05-20 18:06:04
@Mustafa 21 ip bloğunuz var a kategorisi size nasıl daha cazip geliyor ?
Mustafa Omer GOLGELI - 2026-05-20 18:06:20
@Remzi, you don't have to think selfishly. I am OK with paying more.
Tom Hill - 2026-05-20 18:06:54
Given the lack of surprise, I suspect we can stop flogging that dead horse now.
REMZİ TOKER - 2026-05-20 18:06:57
zavalı git öde ozaman neden zırvalıyorsun büyükler daha çok ödemeli diye.
REMZİ TOKER - 2026-05-20 18:08:16
git bağış yap kalkındır ripeyi.
Mustafa Omer GOLGELI - 2026-05-20 18:08:19
^ Typical...
Adrian Nöthlich - 2026-05-20 18:20:28
@Remzi btw you might want to look into the ripe db documentation how to use role objects and what the attributes are used for. "role: Abuse contact role object" or "role: Director" is not the way to do. But as a new member mistakes can happen ;)
Jamie Stallwood - 2026-05-20 18:21:23
Our LIR has already taken action to reduce from middle band to lower band by shedding some spare resources.
REMZİ TOKER - 2026-05-20 18:21:31
@Adrian Go learn something yourself, stop wasting time talking here.
Sascha Lenz - 2026-05-20 18:23:26
👏
Jonas Schäfer - 2026-05-20 18:23:30
👏
Kismet Hasanaj - 2026-05-20 18:23:36
👋
Fabian Friesenecker - 2026-05-20 18:23:43
👏
Fergal Cunningham - 2026-05-20 18:23:44
Thanks all for joining.
François-Christophe Pietri - 2026-05-20 18:23:52
👏
Tom Hill - 2026-05-20 18:23:54
Thank you everyone
Rinse Kloek - 2026-05-20 18:24:02
Thanks all!
Fergal Cunningham - 2026-05-20 18:24:03
If you have any problems voting, please email agm@ripe.net and we'll get to you as soon as possible.
Tönnies Kröger - 2026-05-20 18:24:07
👏
Lyra Network - 2026-05-20 18:24:11
👏
Dirk Walde - 2026-05-20 18:24:12
👍 Start B
Fergal Cunningham - 2026-05-20 18:25:15
We have 35 votes cast already, so I guess it's working :)