[ncc-services-wg] IP adress transferring in Ukraine
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Max Tulyev
maxtul at netassist.ua
Thu Oct 27 18:06:20 CEST 2022
Viktoria, as I said you in TU Telegram chat, THAT IS NOT YOUR RESOURCES. Period. You are trying to build a communism saying (actually not your) IP addresses are the resource of the country, so we should implement a government barrier (ban outside transfer) to save the "national heritage". Once again. It is not a national resource. It is not your. Keep your hands away from it. People here do not like commies. Sorry. 27.10.22 18:44, Viktoriia Opanasiuk пише: > Dear Mattias, > > responding on «As this only affects LIRs, I doubt there will be > significant participation by non-LIRs» I must say that it affects all > internet service providers that use IP resources. In Ukraine there are > more than 5 000 registered ISPs, but not all of them are LIRs. > > The situation that we have now is that when russian troops withdraw from > our territory, they dismantle and take with them not only washing > machines, but also telecom equipment, TV- and radio-transmitters, > leaving people who live there without any information channels and means > of communication. We have to re-buildtelecom and internet > infrastructure, and yes, we could bring new equipment there, but if the > IP addresses of local Internet Providers will betransferred to other > parties, we will not be able to restore even our critical infrastructure > there, and there is no place to get new IPv4 addresses. > > Therefore any solutions that involve allowing transfers now and somehow > reverting them later are not solving this immediate problem that we have. > > Viktoriia Opanasiuk > > чт, 27 окт. 2022 г. в 16:59, Matthias Merkel > <matthias.merkel at staclar.com <mailto:matthias.merkel at staclar.com>>: > > Hi Viktoriia,____ > > __ __ > > RIPE operates on consensus policies. A new policy cannot be adopted > if there is a meaningful number of objections like clearly there is > here.____ > > __ __ > > As has been explained in the in-person meetings, a freeze cannot be > implemented until a corresponding policy is in place, as this may > otherwise open up the RIPE NCC to civil liability. Of course, there > is also a risk that a freeze could negatively impact Ukrainian LIRs > (for example ones who may want to sell parts of their IP space to > fund continued operations).____ > > __ __ > > For the reasons above, I personally don’t think that a blanket ban > will be a good solution. Instead, the RIPE NCC should conduct > increased due diligence on transfers from Ukraine and other > high-risk regions. From what I understand, the NCC has already > implemented these measures.____ > > __ __ > > Most of the recent emails have already identified themselves as > Ukrainian, some including a reg-id or at least mentioning they were > an LIR as well. As this only affects LIRs, I doubt there will be > significant participation by non-LIRs. ____ > > __ __ > > Matthias Merkel____ > > Staclar, Inc.____ > > __ __ > > *From: *ncc-services-wg <ncc-services-wg-bounces at ripe.net > <mailto:ncc-services-wg-bounces at ripe.net>> on behalf of Viktoriia > Opanasiuk <viktoriia.opanasiuk at gmail.com > <mailto:viktoriia.opanasiuk at gmail.com>> > *Date: *Thursday, 27. October 2022 at 15:51 > *To: *ncc-services-wg at ripe.net <mailto:ncc-services-wg at ripe.net> > <ncc-services-wg at ripe.net <mailto:ncc-services-wg at ripe.net>> > *Subject: *[ncc-services-wg] IP adress transferring in Ukraine____ > > Hi everyone! ____ > > __ __ > > Looking at such a broad discussion around the issue of the decision > to protect Ukrainian IP resources, I want to add a comment and a > wish.____ > > __ __ > > First of all, I would like to clarify the issue a little. We are > only talking about temporarily freezing the transfer of IP addresses > until a solution to correctly identify and prohibit risky transfers > is found and implemented. > > And in order to understand who exactly is against the temporary > freeze or who supports it , it would be very good if you wrote a few > words about who exactly those who express their position represent. > For example, does the company have LIR status, is the company an ISP > provider, and if so, in which regions of Ukraine does it provide > services. If the LIR is not a ISP provider, does it continue its > work in Ukraine? This is purely to understand whether the position > of the participant in the discussion is from a representative of the > Ukrainian community and what part of this community he represents. ____ > > > Otherwise, this discussion may slightly distort the real problems > that exist in Ukraine today. > ____ > > __ __ > > -- ____ > > Viktoriia Opanasiuk____ > > > > -- > З повагою, > Вікторія Опанасюк >
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