[ncc-services-wg] New Document available: RIPE-301

At 03:41 PM 25-02-04 +0000, Carlos Friacas wrote:

>3.0 Closing a LIR
>Nice "wish-list", are closing LIRs going to waste any time doing it?

 From my experience - not one will *ever* inform RIPE.  It is the last 
thing on their mind when closing shop.


>4.0
>
>"may decide": dont really like the wording. it needs objective boundaries!
>"significant period of time": which is? 1 year/2 years/3 years ???
>"multiple warnings": boundaries again...
>"the LIR must then provide": i find this unbelievable -- people dont pay,
>or cant be reached, and even that way you state they have do provide
>data? :-)
>The last paragraph makes a LOT more sense! :-)

I won't discuss takeovers since they probably only constitute 5% of the 
defunct LIRs but rather LIRs that no longer exist (95%) which should be 
covered by this document (it states the word "closure" in the title).  In 
section 3.0 it states "In the case of a closure of an LIR, the RIPE NCC 
should be contacted at least three months prior to the required closure 
date at lir-help at ripe.net.  Only registered LIR contact person(s) can 
discuss a closure of an LIR with the RIPE NCC. In case of bankruptcy, the 
court-appointed administrator may take over these responsibilities."

Real world example:  In April 2001 (yup!) I informed RIPE to reclaim 
212.77.128.0/23 since that Israeli LIR went bankrupt and no longer 
existed.  No luck.  In June 2002 I tried again and pointed out that Doarnet 
no longer even appears as a LIR at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mem-services/general/indices/IL.html

The answer I got back in June 2002 was "This IP range is a part of DoarNet 
Ltd's allocation. DoarNet Ltd's LIR is closed and we are going to take the 
whole allocation back in near future." (Ticket NCC#2002056720).

Till today that IP range is still listed in whois.  I have therefore not 
bothered to try to inform RIPE NCC of further "dead" IP ranges since it is 
a waste of my time as well as theirs.

-Hank Nussbacher
LIR: il.isoc and il.iucc

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>./Carlos
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>On Wed, 25 Feb 2004, RIPE NCC Document Announcement Service wrote:
>
> > New RIPE Document Announcement
> > --------------------------------------
> > A new document is available from the RIPE document store.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ref:            ripe-301
> > Title:          Mergers, Acquisitions, Takeovers and
> >                 Closures of Organisations Operating an LIR
> > Author:         Kamran Khalid
> >                 Nurani Nimpuno
> >                 Sabrina Wilmot
> > Date:           February 2004
> > Format:         PDF=195891 TXT=13941
> > Obsoletes:      ripe-185, ripe-241
> > Obsoleted by:
> > Updates:
> > Updated by:
> >
> > Short content description
> > -------------------------
> >
> > This document provides guidelines to Local Internet Registries (LIRs)
> > on the steps to take when the organisation operating an LIR changes
> > ownership (due to a merger, sale or takeover) or stops serving
> > entirely as an LIR.
> >
> >
> >
> > Accessing the RIPE document store
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> >
> > You can access the RIPE documents in HTML format via our website at
> > the following URL:.
> >
> >
> >
> >   http://www.ripe.net/docs/mergers.html
> >
> >
> > The RIPE Document Store is also available via anonymous FTP to
> > ftp.ripe.net, in the directory ripe/docs.
> > The URLs for the new documents on the FTP-server are:
> >
> >   ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-301.pdf  PDF Version
> >   ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-301.txt  plain text version