[members-discuss] Request to update the SSA - Article 2.2, acceptance of documents

Hi, all.

So what do you think about, if the NCC have the SSA in digital format and
new members will check the checkbox during registration? It helps to save
over 300 euro per account without the paper work.

пн, 30 Апр 2018 г., 8:45 William <william at william.si>:

> RIPE does not really do this, they will send the documents also to a
> secondary address (not the LIR or company address).
>
> This verifies *some* address, but not *the* address.
>
>
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> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 07:40, Marcel Edler (Optimate-Server.de) <
> medler at optimate-server.de> wrote:
>
> I think RIPE sending the membership documents in a letter, because they
> use it also to verify the address.
>
> You can fake everything, the company papers and all. I dont think the
> RIPE checking this informations in local country registers.
>
> To fake a address is not that easy possible I would say...
>
> There are still many companys they send you a code by letter to verify
> the address.
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
> Marcel Edler
> Geschäftsinhaber
>
> Optimate-Server
> EM Koddes 1
> 52531 Übach-Palenberg
> Germany
> Tel.: 06104 / 9722141
> Fax: 06104 / 9722142
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>
> Am 25.04.2018 um 15:31 schrieb Janos Zsako:
>
> Dear Tom,
>
> Can you please clarify, why it is that you think email is appropriate
> for digitally signed documents, not paper based documents signed by
> hand, scanned and sent by e-mail?
>
>
>
> I am not a lawyer, but as far as I know, in case of a litigation a
> digitally
> signed document is usually accepted by the court as evidence with much
> higher
> confidence than a scanned document. One of the roles of the digital
> signature
> is to ensure non-repudiation. A valid signature usually proves who
> signed the
> document (usually through a certificate issued by a trusted CA) and it
> also
> proves that the document has not been changed since. If it also
> contains a
> qualified time stamp, then you can also know for sure the document
> existed in
> this form at that time.
>
> I stand corrected on fax use, I had no idea it was still growing!
> Although, I think the demographic of ISPs may have lower than average
> fax usage. Our company have a fax simply because some customers do,
> we would not choose to fax or post over email unless it was
> absolutely necessary.
>
>
>
> Well, we cancelled the company fax a couple of years ago. :)
>
> I suppose you could consider fax or post more secure than email, but
> I'm not too sure how valid that argument is.
>
>
>
> Post and original (signed) documents are definitely more secure than fax
> or (digitally not signed) e-mail. In case of the fax, I tend to agree
> with you,
> but there was a time, in Hungary at least, when courts did accept fax
> as evidence,
> while e-mail was usually not accepted. The judges were of the
> (probably wrong)
> opinion that fax is more difficult to forge than e-mail.
>
> Best regards,
> Janos
>
> Kind Regards,
> Tom Corney
>
>
>
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