[members-discuss] New Charging Scheme

On 2011-08-04 11:48, James Blessing wrote:
> On 04/08/2011 10:39, Simon Lockhart wrote:
>
>> For example, here's another pricing model which could work (prices 
>> completely
>> made up on the spot, so don't judge fairness on the numbers I use):
>>
>>     Membership Fee (per year):    EUR 1000
>>
>>     Per allocation costs:
>>                 First Year    Subsequent Years
>>      IPv4 (up to /22):    EUR 100        EUR 50
>>      IPv4 (/21 to /20):    EUR 200        EUR 50
>>      IPv4 (/19 to /16):    EUR 400        EUR 100
>>      IPv4 (/15 to /12):    EUR 800        EUR 100
>>      IPv4 (over /12):    EUR 1500    EUR 200
>>
>>      IPv6 (/32):        EUR 100        EUR 50
>>      IPv6 (Over /32):    EUR 400        EUR 50
>>
>>      ASN:            EUR 100        EUR 50
>>
>>      Other objects:        EUR 400        EUR 50
>>
>> In here, the membership fee is designed to cover all the other RIPE 
>> services -
>> Atlas, Labs, Meetings, etc, etc. There is of course the option to have a
>> "Membership Lite" at a reduced rate with restrictions (only one IPv4, 
>> one IPv6
>> and one ASN allocation, no access to other services or RIPE meetings).
>
> This is a much better structure for the membership fees (and easy for 
> a new/existing member to calculate) might be easier to split the first 
> year into a 'successful application fee' and annual fee.
>
> The other thing could be to include 1 ASN, 1 v4 and 1 v6 (regardless 
> of size) in the standard membership fee and then have another category 
> which covered small object holders with out the 'package'.
>
> Would be nice to see how this worked with 'real numbers' rather than 
> holding ones.
Some facts:
     - 44% of all members are in the /21-/20 range
     - 43% are in the /19-/16 range
     - 10% are /15 or larger
     - We need to raise EUR 18M (2011 Budget)
     - There are 7700 member, so the average fee must be EUR 2330/y.
     - RIPE wants to encourage small "operations" to join RIPE for 
little money (XS and XSS categories).
     - One of the bigger members (de.telekom) has about 30 IPv4 
allocation, being equivalent to a bit less than a /7. fr.telecom has 
about 30 allocations equivalent to a /7.5.
     - The average /18 member seems to hold 1 to 6 IPv4 allocation, 
which an average around 3 IPv4 allocations. (small sample, so use with 
caution, please)
     - RIPE has 22200 ASN.

Source: 
<http://www-public.it-sudparis.eu/~maigron/RIR_Stats/RIPE_Allocations/IPv4/ByNb/index.html>

Interpretation:
     - a /18 would have to pay around EUR 2300, otherwise there will be 
no chance of getting the required money.
     - the base membership fee should be around EUR 250-500, otherwise 
to high for XXS and XS
     - the scheme should be fair for the /21-/16 range, they represent 
87% of the members and will have to raise 75%+ of the budget in any 
reasonable scheme.
     - charging ASN is not really useful, it would need EUR 80/y to 
cover only 10% of the budget.
     - There will be almost no new allocations in the near future, so 
the "subsequent year" amount should cover the costs.

James Blessing's scheme would look like:
     Base Fee: EUR 500 (let's assume 1 allocation IPv4+IPv6 includes, 1 ASN)
     EUR 800 for a /21 to /18 allocation annually. Otherwise the 
"typical" /18 would not pay enough to cover the costs.
     A really large LIR will have to pay 30*EUR 800, about EUR 24k, anyway.

Best regards,

     wiwi