[address-policy-wg] Re: Revised 2007-01 set back to Review Phase (Direct Internet Resource Assignments to End Users from the RIPE NCC)

Dear Shane,

Shane Kerr wrote:
> David,
> 
> On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 13:38 +0200, David Monosov wrote:
> 
>> - Given the diversity of legal systems the RIPE NCC service region,
>> the success
>> of contractually binding existing resource holders to a new contract
>> and fee is
>> uncertain, and might be the beginning of a long and expensive exercise
>> in futility.
> 
> Hm... the only thing fee-related is:
> 
>         "Any specific details of possible fees for such End Users are
>         also out the scope of this proposal. This needs to be developed
>         by the RIPE NCC Board in the same manner that LIR fees are
>         proposed and developed."
> 

The proposal also refers to a document titled “Contractual Requirements for
Provider Independent Resource Holders in the RIPE NCC Service Region”, which
contains additional information on this subject.

> My take on the fee issue is:
> 
>       * The intention of the proposal is to track resources, not to
>         collect money. 

The intention is clear. It's the contractual and operational details which are
in a bit of a flux, and could benefit from a more balanced overview within the
draft to present some of the potential implementation pitfalls.

>                        If PI-holders have a contract with an LIR (for
>         instance, one of their peers), then there is no fee necessary.

For what it's worth, currently the aforementioned document appears to contradict
your take on this particular issue. It makes a specific requirement for assigned
resources to be returned in the event the annual fee to the LIR is not paid.

>       * PI-holders do place *some* burden on the management of the
>         Internet number resources, and so asking them to pay is not bad.
> 
> I think that in the ARIN region the fee is $100 a year (about €70) for
> allocations like this, which is a trivial amount of money, especially
> since (unlike in the ARIN region I think) there is a way to avoid this
> cost completely (by using an LIR).
> 
> --
> Shane
> 
--
Respectfully yours,

David Monosov