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Jeffrey A. Williams
jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com
Mon Jul 14 02:47:52 CEST 2008
Nick and all, Agreed! Well thought out and presented as well. Thank you! Nick Hilliard wrote: > michael.dillon at bt.com wrote: > > Bottom line is that there are no operators of private networks > > who are not also operators of the Internet. > > I see no reason to believe this statement or to feel that it has any > relevance to 2007-01. PI number assignments are/were made on the basis of > technical justification, not on the basis of whether they are used on the > Internet (with a capital "I" - whatever that means). > > > some way. An RIR registration gives you the right to use certain > > addresses, but it does not prohibit anybody else from using the > > same addresses. Same thing goes for AS numbers such as AS 54271. > > An RIR does not give you a right to use address resources. You have the > right to use any address you want, where-ever you want. You think I can't > use BT address space on my lab network if I want to, along with AS5400?? > Just you wait and see! > > The RIRs are merely clearing-houses which state that if you abide by their > rules, that they will also abide by their rules. One of these rules states > that if they associate certain addresses with your name, the RIR will not > associate those addresses with anyone else's name. > > The RIPE NCC is not the police, a deity or anything else. It's merely an > trusted third party registration agency. And we are all just part of a > community which benefits from agreeing to a consistent set of procedures > which is maintained by the RIPE NCC. > > > That is the core of my argument. Most people making policy change > > proposals are thinking only of the public Internet and are only > > trying to create something that helps ISPs. > > Look, can we be quite clear here: 2007-01 makes no statement directly or > indirectly about whether address resources are used on any particular > network, whether that be the Internet-with-a-capital-I, your granny's wifi > network at home or my BT-lookalike lab network. It merely states that new > and continued registration of certain types of provider independent address > resources is contingent on entering into a direct or indirect contractual > relationship with the RIPE NCC. No more, no less. > > Nick > -- > Network Ability Ltd. | Head of Operations | Tel: +353 1 6169698 > 3 Westland Square | INEX - Internet Neutral | Fax: +353 1 6041981 > Dublin 2, Ireland | Exchange Association | Email: nick at inex.ie Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827
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