[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Consultation on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024
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Will van Gulik
will at nimag.net
Wed Mar 8 15:54:53 CET 2023
Hi Everyone, I agree with this point, the IPv4 calculation in model 2 is rough on small companies. We have to remember that small & early ISPs received decently big pools a long time ago, which would impact their yearly fees, by 4 times in the case I measured. For instance, if you got a /19 around 2000, and were eligble for a last /22, you're already in the " Large " group, which is quite hard. So I'm totally with Martin on that one. Also, I think that the model 1 pricing is rough, if adopted, I think we will see a lot of people (individuals with LIR for instance), dropping their voting right to move their ressources to an LIR. We would have a huge amount of income from transfers the first years, and then we would loose the diversity of votes for small entities. In any case, I fear that only " the rich " will be able to vote and keep their ressources going on. Adopting any of these new charging schem would cause a lot of companies to move their ressources to optimize their fees. I'm not sure that's a useful move, as it would cause a lot of administrative troubles and load on the NCC. Kind regards, Will van Gulik Nimag Networks On Tue, Mar 07, 2023 at 12:16:26PM +0100, Martin Volf wrote: >Hello, > >in my opinion the IPv4 Category Calculation in the provided XLSX file >is too strict. Maybe doubling the Max Assignments values would be more >appropriate, i.e.: > > Extra Small 1024 > Small 4096 > Medium 16384 > Large 65536 > Extra Large > > >instead of: > > Extra Small 512 > Small 2048 > Medium 8192 > Large 32768 > Extra Large > > >Best regards, > >Martin Volf >Dragon Internet a.s. >AS15614 > >On Tue, 7 Mar 2023, Simon Jan Haytink wrote: > >> Dear RIPE NCC members, >> >> We would like to re-open the consultation we began with the membership in >> 2021 on the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme model, and we would like to carry out >> that consultation well in advance of the RIPE NCC General Meeting (GM) May >> 2023. >> >> In 2021, we presented on this topic at the GM, and we also surveyed our >> members and held an open house to get direct input on the charging scheme >> model that members would like to see implemented by the RIPE NCC. The >> outcome at that stage of the consultation was that there were strong cases >> made for both the current one-LIR, one-fee model and for a category-based >> model that would charge based on the number of resources held by a member. A >> strong case was also made to charge for all resources allocated or assigned >> by the RIPE NCC, including ASNs, and to charge a fee for transfers. >> >> The Executive Board decided to suspend the consultation in light of the war >> in Ukraine, but we are eager to decide on a way forward on this matter >> together with the membership. >> >> One of the main reasons that we would like to advance the discussion on the >> charging model is that we expect many members with multiple LIR accounts who >> received resources in 2021 to merge these accounts in the coming year. This >> means that the income the RIPE NCC receives will be reduced by a significant >> amount and we will need to ensure that our charging model allows us to >> collect the revenue required to maintain our operations. We believe that a >> category-based model would be best suited to cover this consolidation risk. >> Continuing with the existing model would mean that an increase in fees for >> all members would be required. Our ultimate goal is to arrive at a charging >> scheme model that will be sustainable for many years to come, meeting the >> needs of the RIPE NCC’s members. >> >> To help with discussion and to provide something tangible for members to >> assess, we are putting forward two draft models for members to review. These >> models can be summarised as: >> >> Model 1: A “one-LIR, one-fee” model based on the current RIPE NCC Charging >> Scheme 2023 that also charges for independent resources, ASNs, transfers and >> changes in business structure such as Mergers & Acquisitions. >> >> Model 2: A category-based model that charges per member (not per LIR >> account) and is based on resources registered and that also charges for >> independent resources, ASNs, transfers and changes in business structure >> such as Mergers & Acquisitions. >> >> In order to allow members to form an opinion based on their own situation, >> we are providing an Excel sheet that will allow you to calculate the fees >> you would pay under each of the draft models. It is important to be aware >> that at this stage, the numbers assigned for each item are indicative and >> would be reviewed in light of the discussion with members. We plan to review >> these figures following consultation with the members, and giving input on >> those figures would greatly help to arrive at a good model. >> >> You can download the Excel sheet from: >> https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/member-and-community-consultations/member-calculator-charging-scheme-2024.xlsx >> >> We also plan to hold another Open House meeting on the Charging Scheme in >> March to further discuss the charging scheme models. The Executive Board >> will then take the input and decide on one or more charging schemes for the >> membership to vote on at the GM to be held on 24 May 2023. The outcome of >> that vote will determine the charging scheme model to be used in the coming >> years. >> >> I ask that you provide your input on this important consultation on the >> Membership Discussion mailing list (members-discuss at ripe.net) by 26 April. >> Input provided up to this date will be considered by the Board when >> formulating the charging schemes to be proposed for the GM. Input after this >> date is of course also welcome although it might not be reflected in the >> schemes put forward to the membership at the GM. >> >> The consultation will also be recorded and available from: >> https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/member-and-community-consultations >> >> I look forward to your input. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Simon Jan Haytink >> Finance Director >> RIPE NCC >> >> Summary >> >> 7 March: Start consultation with membership on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme >> model >> 21 March: Open House to discuss charging scheme with membership >> 24 March: Executive Board meeting to discuss input received so far >> 12 April: Publication of Draft RIPE NCC Charging Schemes 2024 >> 26 April: Publication of Final RIPE NCC Charging Schemes to be voted on by >> members >> 24 May: RIPE NCC General Meeting May 2023 >> >> References >> >> Open House and Survey Results >> https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/open-house/ripe-ncc-open-house-charging-scheme-principles >> >> Presentation at General Meeting >> https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2021/documentation-and-archive/ripe-ncc-charging-scheme-discussion.pdf >_______________________________________________ >members-discuss mailing list >members-discuss at ripe.net >https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/will%40nimag.net
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