[anti-spam-wg] Re: Fwd: Re: Re: NCC#2007083003 Fwd: DELIVERY FAILURE:

["Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet" Woeber@localhost]

Dear Mattew,

you request describes a situation that gets discussed again and
again, but up till now these discussions haven't gotten anywhere
close to a well-prepared and broadly accepted or acceptable proposal.

Maybe now it is time to work on it again?

However, imho, trying to make real progress involves modifying
quite a few policies, procedures and behaviour patterns; not just
with the ISPs but for the community at large. And on top of that,
I guess we need a better definition of "contact" and the facility
or mechanisms which theses contacts are expected (or requied) to
provide, and to whom.

May I suggest that you try to step forward with a proposal that
fits in with the "Policy Development Process" for the RIPE region?

You can find the details for this appraoch at the following page
and/or document(s):

RIPE Policy Development
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/

Policy Development Process in RIPE (Document ID: ripe-350)
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/pdp.html

Regards,
Wilfried Wöber
(RIPE-DB WG Chair and member of the Data-Privacy TaskForce)

BabyMatthew253 wrote:
> To whoever may read these:
> 
> I Matthew Brown, would like to request that there be some sort of action, to allow the ripe database managers to contact ISP(s) when someone reports incorrect or outdated information.  This would be very helpful in the process of fighting spam and abuse, and when you rely on the whois servers around the world to get the correct email address(es) so you may forward the abuse/spam to the correct department, but only to have if fail because of outdated data, is not useful in the process of reporting it.  As an internet user myself, it is a pain to get so much spam and abusive emails.  I'm tired of opening my mailbox on a daily basis, to see I've gotten not one, or two, but on average 75 spam messages a day.  And simply telling my email provider, in this case it is Yahoo, that an email is spam/abuse, is not enough to stop it from coming into my mailbox.  I now take the time to report it to the proper ISP that holds the IP address where the spam/abuse comes from, or sometimes
>  its a potential virus that comes in the form of a URL/Web pages to visit.  So, I rely on having correct data.  Please look into developing a policy that will allow the ripe database managers the resources to contact ISP(s) when someone reports incorrect information, so that those of us, like me, who are tired of the amount of spam they get can have correct information when they go to look for it, instead of having to make phone contact with each individual ISP who happens to be international for me.  I know that the whois database at www.arin.net has the resources to make contact when someone reports incorrect data, so why not follow suit and have the same resources to do the same thing.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Matthew Brown
> 
> RIPE Database Manager ripe-dbm@localhost wrote: To: BabyMatthew253 babymattb253@localhost
> Subject: Re: Re: NCC#2007083003 Fwd: DELIVERY FAILURE:
> From: RIPE Database Manager ripe-dbm@localhost
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:25:14 +0200
> 
>  
> Dear BabyMatthew253,
> 
> Thank you for your email regarding out of date contact data in the RIPE
> database.
> 
> There may be options we could pursue to check the validity of the contact
> data in the objects in the RIPE Database. Where we have a direct
> relationship with the owners of these objects we could request that they
> update this information. But we do not have a mandate from the RIPE
> community to allocate any resources to this activity. If you feel this 
> should have a higher priority then you may raise the issue on the Database
> Working Group or Antispam Working Group or Address Policy Working Group 
> mailing lists. You can find information about the mailing lists here
> 
> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/wg/index.html
> 
> These are open working groups and views are welcomed from anyone who
> wishes to discuss relevant issues.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Milena Rakin
> ____________________________
> RIPE Database Administration.
> 
> 
> 
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