[ripe-list] LIR and Member Agreements

I can’t believe I agree with Jordi in this one (and I hope I am not
violating the CoC by saying this)

But… HPH with a whole RIPE NCC communications team couldn’t miss interpret
the CoC, right? They even went as far as to quote the articles the e-mail
violates…

So, if the CoC’s interpretation of Denis’ e-mail says he is violating a few
articles, then we definitely have the wrong CoC or the wrong interpretation.

What I don’t understand is the first sentence in HPH’s e-mail. Had Denis
been a regular community member (no wg chair hats), would the message have
been different or just private?

Elvis

On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 02:03 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list <
ripe-list at ripe.net> wrote:

> Totally agree with what others have said: I don't think Denis email had
> anything wrong.
>
> Each person has a different way to say things. Language and expressions
> may look a bit in the limit sometimes, especially when the reader is not
> native speaker (or even worst, when you aren't English native speaker and
> you write in English), but I can't find anything wrong in that specific
> message.
>
> This brings us to another big problem:
>
> * if the CoC can be interpreted in such way, we have the wrong CoC * and
> that's really dangerous, because it means that the one who judges the CoC
> can become a dictator.
>
> (just to make sure I'm on the safe side and not being accused myself about
> breking the CoC: I'm not accusing anyone here, just expressing what a wrong
> CoC can mean)
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
> @jordipalet
>
>
>
> El 1/2/22 10:32, "ripe-list en nombre de Carlos Friaças via ripe-list" <
> ripe-list-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de ripe-list at ripe.net> escribió:
>
>
>     +1.
>
>     I honestly didn't read Denis' lenghty e-mail until i read HPH's
> message,
>     and thought "oh i really need to go back and read that" :-)
>
>     Regards,
>     Carlos
>
>
>
>     On Tue, 1 Feb 2022, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
>
>     > I too agree with Denis and Gert but there is no need to accept
> blame.  Denis
>     > is not accusing anyone.  If anything, we are all to blame for not
> being as
>     > diligent as Denis.    Denis has even suggested a way forward:
>     >
>     > "it will benefit the RIPE NCC to employ someone qualified or
> experienced in
>     > contract law to review and re-write all the NCC's contracts and
> agreements so
>     > they actually say what they were intended to mean."
>     >
>     >
>     > Regards,
>     >
>     > Hank--
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