[ripe-list] RIPE Working Group Chair Collective Meeting Summary

Then, no doubts, never any of my proposals (including the one sent to the list a couple of days ago), has lacked a clear problem statement.

The problem is another one: different folks may agree/disagree that it is something that we need to resolve or not (independently of how we can resolve that).

Regards,
Jordi
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El 9/2/21 13:17, "ripe-list en nombre de Gert Doering" <ripe-list-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de gert at space.net> escribió:

    hi,

    On Tue, Feb 09, 2021 at 12:33:18PM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list wrote:
    > 2) Not always we have "problem" (point 4, 1st p.) and thus it means a problem statement can be acceptable for some folks and not others, so clearly this must not be in the hands of a few (like WG chairs), but part of the consensus. For example, sometimes (2018-04 is a good example of that), we are adopting policy changes, or even PDP changes, because there is a need to improve the clarify of the text and avoid different interpretations, which can be a very bad thing.

    "there is a need to improve" is a very clear problem statement :-)

    A problem *statement* does not have to be "LIRs are starving!", but it
    defines whatever it is that is to be addressed by a policy proposal.

    For policy proposals to progress in a meaningful way, there needs to be
    some sort of common understanding on the "problem statement" aka "what is
    it that we are going to improve here, and why?" *before* a full-blown
    new policy text falls from the sky.

    If this is missing, usually people do not react in the most open and
    welcoming way to "hey, I have a new wall of text here!" ambush proposals.

    (A problem statement does not have to be "we're going to improve the
    world" class - it can be just "I, speaking for my LIR, have seen problems
    with <this>, and I think it can be improved by doing <that>" - which is
    a very clear statement on *why* things are proposed.  Then the community
    can start discussing the *how* - but "why?" needs to come first)

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