[RIPE Atlas Ambassadors] Fwd: Re: Deploying RIPE Atlas probes in more locations and networks

Thanks for all the replies.
I am sorry if I am sending out too many questions but I am serious about
getting interested users rather that ISPs who may disconnect the probes
later if they see no benefit.

What is the preferred location of probes - I assume the order is IXP, ISP,
Corporation and last DSL/Home users. Does the speed of the link make any
difference to measurements (I assume it does)? 

Are there any benchmark probe sources or major IXP points ?- like Vonage,
Vocalocity, Youtube, Facebook, Microsoft, Yahoo , Level3, Comcast etc.
networks which are running anchors or probes so that a lot of ISPs would
love those ready-to-use return-path statistics.

Regards
Durga Prasad
+919849111010

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My elevator pitch:

Of course you have your network monitored and running well. ;-) Your
customer experience however is based on the *Inter*net: They want to
communicate with customers of other networks. So how is your connectivity
with other networks at any point in time? RIPE Atlas provides thousands of
vantage points around the Internet to look at your network and measure how
well your customers are reachable from the rest of the Internet. You can set
up both continuous monitoring and look at specific issues in real time. You
can integrate the continuous external monitoring with your internal
monitoring system. The very reasonable price is installing a few probes. If
you are happy with what you get, install an anchor.

Daniel

On 25.08.15 6:18 , dp at datasoftcomnet.com wrote:
> Hello all,
> Can someone share an elevator pitch on why an ISP or an organisation 
> that is on 24/7 needs to put a probe in their  network.
> What are the benefits they would get? 
> Has someone prepared a case study. 
> 
> Regards DP
> 9849111010. 
> 
> Sent from my phone. Please excuse brevity and typos if any. 
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Emile Aben <emile.aben at ripe.net>
> Date: 25/08/2015 09:25 (GMT+05:30)
> To: Sebastian Castro <sebastian at nzrs.net.nz>
> Cc: ripe-atlas-ambassadors at ripe.net
> Subject: Re: [RIPE Atlas Ambassadors] Deploying RIPE Atlas probes in 
> more locations and networks
> 
> On 24/08/15 23:53, Sebastian Castro wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 24/08/15 11:27 pm, Vesna Manojlovic wrote:
>>> Dear ambassadors,
>>
>> Hi Vesna:
>>
>>>
>>> You've helped us do a great job in distributing RIPE Atlas probes to 
>>> many networks and regions of the world, but we still have work to do!
>>> There are a few ways to find out exactly where we need your help:
>>>
>>> 1) Networks with the most users and fewest probes
>>>
>>> In order to increase topological diversity, it would be good to "target"
>>> the users of the networks that don't have a lot - or any - coverage.
>>>
>>> This RIPE Labs article lists the top 20 ASNs:
>>>
> https://labs.ripe.net/Members/emileaben/improving-ripe-atlas-coverage-
> what-networks-are-missing
>>>
>>>
>>> Or you can see the raw-text table here, sorted by the network size:
>>> http://sg-pub.ripe.net/emile/atlas_eyeball_coverage.txt
>>>
>>
>> Emile's work is really valuable and much appreciated. Is it possible 
>> to have a date of generation on that file? It seems to be the same as 
>> few months ago, considering we have deployed probes in the last two 
>> months that increase coverage.
> 
> This was a one-off, timestamp on the file says I did that on 26 June.
> I've just put a new one here:
> http://sg-pub.ripe.net/emile/atlas-coverage/
> 
>>> 2) Comparing population density with the distribution of RIPE Atlas
> probes
>>>
>>> Emile Aben used CartoDB to plot, population and probe density on the 
>>> same map:
>>>
> https://emileaben.cartodb.com/viz/3caa5144-823e-11e4-8025-0e018d66dc29
> /public_map
>>>
>>>
>>> https://labs.ripe.net/Members/emileaben/distribution-of-ripe-atlas-p
>>> robes
>>>
>>> 3) Comparing coverage between countries
>>>
>>> This map shows the percentage of probes per country:
>>> https://atlas.ripe.net/results/maps/density/
>>>
>>> Whichever method you choose, we trust your instincts and your 
>>> knowledge of the local community to make the right decision and give 
>>> probes to the best people!
>>
>> We have a different method, that uses address space to determine 
>> which ASNs are relevant to cover.
>>
>> The eyeball method works for ISP that serve customers, but not for 
>> those that provide transit. Our methodology, that picks a BGP table 
>> dump and calculates the ratio of /24 versus number of probes helps us 
>> to have more coverage and to quickly identify targets.
> 
> Heh. We had a discussion last week in the office which boiled down to 
> pretty much what you describe here, as an alternative to 'eyeball' data.
> I expect more in this space soon :)
> 
> Cheers and many thanks to all our ambassadors for the great work they 
> are doing!
> Emile
> 
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