[ncc-services-wg] New on RIPE Labs: RPKI Repositories and the RIPE Database in the Cloud

Hi, 

as a LIR I do *totally* agree with Gert's position to not "give away 
control on critical services". RIPE is in the position to guarantee a 
service with a relevant uptime, like it did for tens of years, and should 
think to "outsourced resources" just as backup in case of unavailability 
of internal resources. 

Regards, 
Giuliano Peritore 

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----- Messaggio originale ----- 
Da: "Gert Doering" <gert at space.net> 
A: "Alun Davies" <adavies at ripe.net> 
Cc: ncc-services-wg at ripe.net 
Inviato: Mercoledì, 12 maggio 2021 9:19:11 
Oggetto: Re: [ncc-services-wg] New on RIPE Labs: RPKI Repositories and the RIPE Database in the Cloud 

Hi, 

On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 01:40:07PM +0200, Alun Davies wrote: 
> The mission critical services the RIPE NCC provides to the Internet 
> community require a solid technical foundation. In this new article 
> on RIPE Labs, Felipe Silveira looks at plans to use cloud infrastructure 
> as a means to that end. The full article is available here: 

As a member, I do not want the RIPE NCC to spend our money on "give away 
control on critical services". 

Use of cloud services (or any other "outsourced infrastructure") is something 
I consider acceptable as a *backup* in case of something catastrophic 
happening to the RIPE NCC operated machines, to restore services to members 
and community quicker. 

Using cloud services generally implies 

- loss of control 
--> so the NCC *must* be primary authority on all data, and the cloud 
can only be a cache 

- loss of contact and responsibility 
--> if a NCC provided service does not work, I do not want to talk to 
a cloud provider hotline, or hear from the NCC "well, there is nothing 
we can do, something in the cloud is broken" 


All this cloudstuff is really great if you need "elastic services" (like, 
when the big run on the last IPv4 space starts, scale up the LIR portal 
to 200 instances - oh, wait, this opportunity got missed), or "low latency 
for high bandwidth content delivery" (so, yeah, ... no?). 

But for the services the NCC provides, "cloud" sounds like "yeah, someone 
else to blaim if it explodes", and this is not why we give the NCC money. 


(And no, there is not much trust from my side, since the ticket system is 
*still* a major annoyance in our day to day dealing with the NCC - despite 
promises, two years ago, to make this more usable) 

Gert Doering 
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