[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Consultation on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024

Wieger Bontekoe <wieger.bontekoe at productsup.com>
5:58 PM (1 hour ago)
to Mark
Hello Mark,

*"For the first matter, this actual proposal. I tend to agree with model 2,
except for the categories. If you are assigning points to various resources
to get to a category, you might as well assign prices to that resource, and
invoice those tariffs. I would expect the amount of IP’s to be in balance
with the size of a member. "*

I am very curious what you mean by this, do you mean that a large customer
(based on higher numbers) should also pay lower rates? I hope not?

*Wieger Bontekoe*
Principal Site Reliability Engineer
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On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 1:09 PM Mark Schouten via members-discuss <
members-discuss at ripe.net> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> First of all, thanks to everyone working on these proposals. I’ve been
> silent in the RIPE community so far, but I tried to read most of the
> messages in this thread. I thought it might come in handy to leave my
> two cents as well.
>
> For the first matter, this actual proposal. I tend to agree with model
> 2, except for the categories. If you are assigning points to various
> resources to get to a category, you might as well assign prices to that
> resource, and invoice those tariffs. I would expect the amount of IP’s
> to be in balance with the size of a member. Which makes the invoice fair
> (although we’re completely ignoring the fact of different economical
> circumstances in the RIPE region). I would like to see a different price
> for IPv4 (not sure if anyone is actually still using those ;)), and a
> lower price for IPv6 after the first /32 allocation.
>
>
> Then there is the matter of the actual tariffs. There’s been a lot of
> feedback on the tariff being too high, and a connection to the budget. I
> think the hight of the tariff would be less important if members have
> the sense that the budget is in balance. The issue is, members are in
> charge of the budget. Members decide on the activity plan each year, as
> you can see on [1], page 2.
>
> I’ve looked at the archives of this mailing list. There has been one
> discussion on this list on the activity plan since 2013. One.
>
> I’ve also looked at
>
> https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/october-2022/livestream,
>
> where the budget has been presented, there were no questions. None.
>
> If you disagree with the amount of money RIPE is spending (which I
> completely understand, I have some concerns too), schedule ‘Read the
> ncc-announce mailinglist’ for every day in September, and respond to
> that. We might even setup a discussion here beforehand, so the board can
> take the input into account before setting up the budget.
>
> [1]: https://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-786.pdf
>
> —
> Mark Schouten, CTO
> Tuxis B.V.
> mark at tuxis.nl / +31 318 200208
>
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From "Simon Jan Haytink" <simon at ripe.net>
> To ncc-announce at ripe.net
> Date 3/7/2023 10:35:22 AM
> Subject [ncc-announce] [GM] Consultation on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme
> 2024
>
> >Dear RIPE NCC members,
> >
> >We would like to re-open the consultation we began with the membership in
> 2021 on the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme model, and we would like to carry out
> that consultation well in advance of the RIPE NCC General Meeting (GM) May
> 2023.
> >
> >In 2021, we presented on this topic at the GM, and we also surveyed our
> members and held an open house to get direct input on the charging scheme
> model that members would like to see implemented by the RIPE NCC. The
> outcome at that stage of the consultation was that there were strong cases
> made for both the current one-LIR, one-fee model and for a category-based
> model that would charge based on the number of resources held by a member.
> A strong case was also made to charge for all resources allocated or
> assigned by the RIPE NCC, including ASNs, and to charge a fee for transfers.
> >
> >The Executive Board decided to suspend the consultation in light of the
> war in Ukraine, but we are eager to decide on a way forward on this matter
> together with the membership.
> >
> >One of the main reasons that we would like to advance the discussion on
> the charging model is that we expect many members with multiple LIR
> accounts who received resources in 2021 to merge these accounts in the
> coming year. This means that the income the RIPE NCC receives will be
> reduced by a significant amount and we will need to ensure that our
> charging model allows us to collect the revenue required to maintain our
> operations. We believe that a category-based model would be best suited to
> cover this consolidation risk. Continuing with the existing model would
> mean that an increase in fees for all members would be required. Our
> ultimate goal is to arrive at a charging scheme model that will be
> sustainable for many years to come, meeting the needs of the RIPE NCC’s
> members.
> >
> >To help with discussion and to provide something tangible for members to
> assess, we are putting forward two draft models for members to review.
> These models can be summarised as:
> >
> >Model 1: A “one-LIR, one-fee” model based on the current RIPE NCC
> Charging Scheme 2023  that also charges for independent resources, ASNs,
> transfers and changes in business structure such as Mergers & Acquisitions.
> >
> >Model 2: A category-based model that charges per member (not per LIR
> account) and is based on resources registered and that also charges for
> independent resources, ASNs, transfers and changes in business structure
> such as Mergers & Acquisitions.
> >
> >In order to allow members to form an opinion based on their own
> situation, we are providing an Excel sheet that will allow you to calculate
> the fees you would pay under each of the draft models. It is important to
> be aware that at this stage, the numbers assigned for each item are
> indicative and would be reviewed in light of the discussion with members.
> We plan to review these figures following consultation with the members,
> and giving input on those figures would greatly help to arrive at a good
> model.
> >
> >You can download the Excel sheet from:
> >
> https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/member-and-community-consultations/member-calculator-charging-scheme-2024.xlsx
> >
> >We also plan to hold another Open House meeting on the Charging Scheme in
> March to further discuss the charging scheme models. The Executive Board
> will then take the input and decide on one or more charging schemes for the
> membership to vote on at the GM to be held on 24 May 2023. The outcome of
> that vote will determine the charging scheme model to be used in the coming
> years.
> >
> >I ask that you provide your input on this important consultation on the
> Membership Discussion mailing list (members-discuss at ripe.net) by 26
> April. Input provided up to this date will be considered by the Board when
> formulating the charging schemes to be proposed for the GM. Input after
> this date is of course also welcome although it might not be reflected in
> the schemes put forward to the membership at the GM.
> >
> >The consultation will also be recorded and available from:
> >https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/member-and-community-consultations
> >
> >I look forward to your input.
> >
> >Kind regards,
> >
> >Simon Jan Haytink
> >Finance Director
> >RIPE NCC
> >
> >Summary
> >
> >7 March: Start consultation with membership on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme
> model
> >21 March: Open House to discuss charging scheme with membership
> >24 March: Executive Board meeting to discuss input received so far
> >12 April: Publication of Draft RIPE NCC Charging Schemes 2024
> >26 April: Publication of Final RIPE NCC Charging Schemes to be voted on
> by members
> >24 May: RIPE NCC General Meeting May 2023
> >
> >References
> >
> >Open House and Survey Results
> >
> https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/open-house/ripe-ncc-open-house-charging-scheme-principles
> >
> >Presentation at General Meeting
> >
> https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2021/documentation-and-archive/ripe-ncc-charging-scheme-discussion.pdf
> >
>
>
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