[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Consultation on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024
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Elvis Daniel Velea
elvis at v4escrow.net
Tue Mar 14 00:29:26 CET 2023
Hi, I like the idea of having different tiered members if that would decrease the amount members spend on the RIPE NCC membership. Some members just can not afford €100/mo for a /24 and an ASN… and now we are talking again about increasing that fee.. Tier 1 members would only get initial registration services included in the membership fee, any additional questions/tickets opened would cost. Tier 2 would get a fixed number of interactions with the NCC per year, a free training course, one RIPE Meeting ticket, etc. Tier 3 would have everything included, as many training courses as they need, several RIPE Meeting tickets, etc.. Elvis On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 06:01 Maria Merkel <maria.merkel at staclar.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > While I am responding to the parent message, I will also address some > points raised in other replies. > > Our LIR primarily provides services to other group companies, but we also > provide LIR services to some business and personal customers. > > My biggest concern is that if ASN assignments not only have their own > fixed fee but also determine the membership fee tier, the cost of providing > an ASN will become difficult to predict. This may be fine for internal and > business customers as these can be charged a higher fee to compensate for > this (perhaps by just assuming the worst case), but this may be more > difficult for personal customers and we might be forced to discontinue this > service for them entirely. If there is already a recurring per-ASN charge I > do not see why the number of ASNs should also influence the membership fee > tier. > > It is also unclear to me whether "Independent Internet number resource > assignments" includes ASNs? I assume not as PI and ASN Category Scores are > listed separately in Model 2, but it would be helpful if this could be > clarified. > > I also do not understand why there is a separate sign-up fee and a "New > membership Fee". Why are these not combined into a single sign-up fee? > > There is also some concern regarding the transfer fee. When something like > a /22 is sold, a 1,000 € transfer fee obviously doesn't have too much of an > impact, but this would be very different with a /24. It's unclear to me > whether the transfer fee also applies to transfers of ASNs but if it does > that also seems problematic for cases where ASNs are transferred free of > charge between affiliated companies (and might actually encourage more ASNs > being requested than are required). > > While I understand some of the concerns from others regarding the RIPE > NCC's activities not being solely related to registry functions, I believe > that this is justified and ultimately benefits its members. Maybe there > should be a separate (cheaper) option to become an LIR without becoming a > full member? > > — > Maria Merkel > > This email was sent from Staclar, Inc. 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Novecore Licensing Ltd. > is registered for VAT in the United Kingdom under VAT registration number > 347 4545 80. Novecore (Estonia) OÜ is registered for VAT in the European > Union under VAT registration number EE102518979. Staclar Financial Services > Ltd. is an Annex 1 financial institution registered with and supervised by > the Financial Conduct Authority under the Money Laundering, Terrorist > Financing and Transfer of Funds (Information on the Payer) Regulations 2017 > (firm reference number 989521). Registration is not equivalent to > authorisation and is not an endorsement to do business with a firm. Staclar > Financial Services Ltd. is not an authorised person within the meaning of > the Financial Services and Markets Act 2000 and does not review, approve, > or endorse financial promotions for securities issues it is involved in or > provide any form of investment advice. > [image: Sent from Front] > > On March 7, 2023 at 10:43 AM GMT+1 simon at ripe.net wrote: > > Dear RIPE NCC members, > > We would like to re-open the consultation we began with the membership in > 2021 on the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme model, and we would like to carry out > that consultation well in advance of the RIPE NCC General Meeting (GM) May > 2023. > > In 2021, we presented on this topic at the GM, and we also surveyed our > members and held an open house to get direct input on the charging scheme > model that members would like to see implemented by the RIPE NCC. The > outcome at that stage of the consultation was that there were strong cases > made for both the current one-LIR, one-fee model and for a category-based > model that would charge based on the number of resources held by a member. > A strong case was also made to charge for all resources allocated or > assigned by the RIPE NCC, including ASNs, and to charge a fee for > transfers. > > The Executive Board decided to suspend the consultation in light of the > war in Ukraine, but we are eager to decide on a way forward on this matter > together with the membership. > > One of the main reasons that we would like to advance the discussion on > the charging model is that we expect many members with multiple LIR > accounts who received resources in 2021 to merge these accounts in the > coming year. This means that the income the RIPE NCC receives will be > reduced by a significant amount and we will need to ensure that our > charging model allows us to collect the revenue required to maintain our > operations. We believe that a category-based model would be best suited to > cover this consolidation risk. Continuing with the existing model would > mean that an increase in fees for all members would be required. Our > ultimate goal is to arrive at a charging scheme model that will be > sustainable for many years to come, meeting the needs of the RIPE NCC’s > members. > > To help with discussion and to provide something tangible for members to > assess, we are putting forward two draft models for members to review. > These models can be summarised as: > > Model 1: A “one-LIR, one-fee” model based on the current RIPE NCC Charging > Scheme 2023 that also charges for independent resources, ASNs, transfers > and changes in business structure such as Mergers & Acquisitions. > > Model 2: A category-based model that charges per member (not per LIR > account) and is based on resources registered and that also charges for > independent resources, ASNs, transfers and changes in business structure > such as Mergers & Acquisitions. > > In order to allow members to form an opinion based on their own situation, > we are providing an Excel sheet that will allow you to calculate the fees > you would pay under each of the draft models. It is important to be aware > that at this stage, the numbers assigned for each item are indicative and > would be reviewed in light of the discussion with members. We plan to > review these figures following consultation with the members, and giving > input on those figures would greatly help to arrive at a good model. > > You can download the Excel sheet from: > > https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/member-and-community-consultations/member-calculator-charging-scheme-2024.xlsx > > We also plan to hold another Open House meeting on the Charging Scheme in > March to further discuss the charging scheme models. The Executive Board > will then take the input and decide on one or more charging schemes for the > membership to vote on at the GM to be held on 24 May 2023. The outcome of > that vote will determine the charging scheme model to be used in the coming > years. > > I ask that you provide your input on this important consultation on the > Membership Discussion mailing list (members-discuss at ripe.net) by 26 > April. Input provided up to this date will be considered by the Board when > formulating the charging schemes to be proposed for the GM. Input after > this date is of course also welcome although it might not be reflected in > the schemes put forward to the membership at the GM. > > The consultation will also be recorded and available from: > https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/member-and-community-consultations > > I look forward to your input. > > Kind regards, > > Simon Jan Haytink > Finance Director > RIPE NCC > > Summary > > 7 March: Start consultation with membership on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme > model > 21 March: Open House to discuss charging scheme with membership > 24 March: Executive Board meeting to discuss input received so far > 12 April: Publication of Draft RIPE NCC Charging Schemes 2024 > 26 April: Publication of Final RIPE NCC Charging Schemes to be voted on by > members > 24 May: RIPE NCC General Meeting May 2023 > > References > > Open House and Survey Results > > https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/open-house/ripe-ncc-open-house-charging-scheme-principles > > Presentation at General Meeting > > https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2021/documentation-and-archive/ripe-ncc-charging-scheme-discus… > <https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2021/documentation-and-archive/ripe-ncc-charging-scheme-discussion.pdf> > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/elvis%40v4escrow.net > -- This message was sent from a mobile device. 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