[members-discuss] [LIR] [ncc-announce] [GM] Publication of Draft Charging Scheme Models 2024

Seems that 1007 members in a waiting list won't be able to vote for Option A. The reason is that this scheme has additional fees that will be voted on only in November. How can we vote for a charging scheme that is unknown what fees will be added to it?


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    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 05:44:28 PM GMT+3, Carlos Friaças via members-discuss <members-discuss at ripe.net> wrote:  
 
 

Hi All,
(my 2 cents with my nren LIR hat on)

Model A doesn't make any type of sense for me.

Model B is the most inline with the latest years.

I like Model C (especially because we don't do transfers), *however* i 
suspect the transfer charges could be heavily avoided, which may cause 
serious impact on registration quality -- and no practical impact on the 
budget.

I also think we seriously need to discuss the *cost* side.

Activities/projects that can't find sponsors could/should be frozen or 
transferred to other organizations who wish to steer it.

I personnally don't see RPKI as optional, as this is what really certifies 
ownership of address space.

Best Regards,
Carlos




On Wed, 12 Apr 2023, Simon-Jan Haytink wrote:

> Dear RIPE NCC members,
>
> I want to thank all those who contributed to the consultation so far on the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024 and the model we should use for the coming years.
>
> We can now share three draft models that we developed based on input from the members on the Members Discuss mailing list and in the Charging Scheme Open House, as well as from the discussions at the recent Executive Board Meeting.
>
> The result is that we are proposing three draft charging scheme models: one category-based and two that are based on the previous "one LIR account, one fee" model. We hope to receive feedback on these models by 19 April so the Executive Board can propose the final versions on 26 April. The members will then vote on those three models at the upcoming General Meeting on 24-26 May.
>
> The three models all aim to fulfil a budget that is roughly the same as 2023 plus general cost increases including inflation, so EUR 42-45 million. By doing this, we can ensure that we can meet the potential budgetary requirements for 2024 while retaining the option for members to redistribute any excess contributions should we receive excess funds. The Activity Plan and Budget will be discussed with members this coming Autumn.
>
> The three models are available to review at:
> https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/member-and-community-consultations/charging-scheme-2024-consultation
>
> We also provide an updated calculator where members can see for themselves how much they might pay under the draft models:
> https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/member-and-community-consultations/new-calculator-charging-scheme-2024.xlsx
>
> To summarise the main features of the three models:
>
> Model A - Category Model
>
> This model has ten categories to provide greater granularity. It also charges separately for independent and legacy resources in exactly the same way as in previous years. Additionally, a separate 50 EUR ASN assignment fee has been added. Both separately charged resources do not contribute to the category scores. This means there is no double charging and no specific charging for transfers or administrative work carried out by the RIPE NCC. There is a New /24 IPv4 administration fee to ensure there is a financial consequence to joining the IPv4 Waiting List. The fee would be payable upon receipt of the /24, and members joining the waiting list who do not have an eligible LIR account, would pay the new LIR sign-up fee to open a new LIR account and join the waiting list.
>
> With this model, approximately 68% of members would pay less than the current annual fee, with the remaining 32% paying more.
>
> The discussion with members helped us to see that a category-based model would receive significant support from members if the version was simplified. Should members see the need to charge for other elements, then that can be incorporated into the category model in the coming years. Any such additional charges could potentially then reduce the fees per category.
>
> Model B - Price increase and ASN fee
>
> This model is the exact same as in the previous ten years, but there is a price increase of EUR 150 and a 50 EUR ASN fee to ensure we can meet our budgetary requirements while retaining the option for members to redistribute any excess contribution should we receive excess funds.
>
> Model C - Transfer fee and ASN fee
>
> This model is the exact same as in the previous ten years, but there is a charge of EUR 1,000 per transfer to be paid by the receiving party and a 50 EUR ASN fee to ensure we can meet our budgetary requirements while retaining the option for members to redistribute any excess contribution should we receive excess funds.
>
> Further information on the charging scheme models is provided at:
> https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/member-and-community-consultations/charging-scheme-2024-consultation/
>
> The RIPE NCC Executive Board believes that a category-based model is the best option to help address uncertainty that might be caused by consolidation with multiple LIRs and to provide greater flexibility and fairness in how we charge members in the coming years.
>
> On 26 April, the final versions of the charging schemes that members will vote on will be published for the members to consider and discuss. If you have comments on the draft charging schemes, we therefore ask you to comment on the members-discuss mailing list by 19 April so we have time to incorporate any feedback if necessary.
>
> Importantly, we ask all members to register for the RIPE NCC General Meeting where the final decision will be in your hands. Register to participate and vote at:
> https://my.ripe.net/#/meetings/active
>
> Simon-Jan Haytink
> Chief Financial Officer
> RIPE NCC
>
>

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