[members-discuss] Charging Scheme Models 2024

Hello,

They are doing the join and wait at the current prices!

Regards,
Claudiu Foleanu

April 17, 2023 7:36 PM, "Alexander Norman" <alexander at adminor.net> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Has anyone considered that model A carries the risk of subsidizing the IP traders joining the
> waiting list? 
> Potentially this will enable IP traders to register and maintain many LIRs with lower upfront
> (1250EUR) and recurring cost (250EUR) base membership fee for those without allocations.
> 
> Essentially allowing malicious actors to game the waiting list system by maintaining many LIRs and
> possibly impact the democratic voting system since LIRs get the same vote weight even if they pay
> less.
> 
> I believe, having a low entry level such as this will risk an exodus of IP holders and ranges to
> other regions where there is a lower fees while also incurring substantially higher costs for
> longterm RIPE members. 
> 
> Best regards
> Adminor AB
> Alexander Norman
> 
> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Från: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> För Brandon Butterworth
> Skickat: Thursday, 13 April 2023 18:06
> Till: Akayo <ripe at akayo.eu>
> Kopia: members-discuss at ripe.net
> Ämne: Re: [members-discuss] Charging Scheme Models 2024
> 
> On Wed Apr 12, 2023 at 10:43:41PM +0200, Akayo wrote:
> 
>> Today we received the email of 12th April 2023 about the RIPE NCC
>> charging scheme models A, B and C for 2024. Of course we used the
>> calculator to find out how much we would be required to pay in future
>> for option A.
> 
> It feels like we're being gamed here but I don't know why.
> 
> RIPE run this calculation for billing each year, it seems a needless distraction to have everyone
> run it themselves when they could send us the results for each option.
> 
> Similarly they can work out which is the best option for each LIR and total them up to figure which
> would win the vote if particpation was even.
> 
> All this though is distracting from the fundamental issue of having expanded/become more costly on
> the back of new LIRs mining the last IP block, mostly for profit it seems as we're now facing them
> selling up.
> 
> The priority should be to agree what we want to spend and then how we want to split it up. I was
> fine letting RIPE make up a budget while the previous cost models were not expensive, now it looks
> to become expensive I'm no longer happy with that.
> 
> I think the best option is to use current model, which is least worst as we've all been paying it
> for some years, apply RPI increase, then let RIPE determine how to live within it. Then we don't
> have all try and determine a viable business model for something we don't really know much detail
> of.
> 
> brandon
> 
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