[members-discuss] RIPEdb registry need to be ready for separating?

> On 15 Mar 2022, at 21:58, Andrzej Ława <andrzej.lawa at dawis-it.pl> wrote:
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> W dniu 15.03.2022 o 11:52, Daniel Kalchev pisze:
>>> So please convince me what is the better course of action.
>> You essentially want someone else to take responsibility for your own choices and actions. 
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> Sorry, but what have you got against an open debate, weighing options and considering multiple aspects of an issue by multiple people from multiple points of view? I am not an omniscient super-genius - nobody is (duh!) - thus a calm debate weighing all the options considering all available data is the best way to evaluate what is the best solution. Wouldn't you agree?

Yes. This is precisely what we do here — discuss the matter. It is the only reason I decided to comment.

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>> The Internet community has been working for decades to keep the Internet unified, and especially the IP and DNS registries be unique and unambigous.
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> I know that. Yet there we are - in a situation where governments want to enforce their own DNS entries.

We should discuss this with our governments. We should educate them. This is something RIPE can do in general and as a group, but also has to be done at local level because often those Government people don’t quite talk outside their own country/language barrier.
We also should do this at in the EU (concerning registries that are in EU countries) because it s the EU that passes most such regulations, not individual countries.

We actually have a situation like this in the EU: ISPs are asked/required to filter IP addresses and DNS names, redirect traffic etc.

This is, both not working (trivial to bypass) and hurting our very society and our very Internet.

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>> There is nothing wrong in Russia setting up their own “mirror” of any registry. As long as we do not cut them from the “original” this is ok and might be for
>> the benefit of everybody. Actually, some European countries have been doing this
>> ever since we had Internet — you probably just didn’t know.
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> The problem is those are not mirrors - those are fakes. I.e. the Polish regulation (supposedly only to be used to block only gambling sites but is implemented as an administrative decision without any judiciary oversight) is frighteningly similar to what Russia is planning to do with their DNS "mirrors". Not a big problem over here as it is easy for any end user to circumvent... until the government blocks all "foreign" DNS systems (i.e. forces all ISPs to block access to any foreign DNS).

This might, or might not be the case. We do not know what Russia will do out of this. At the very least, they can use it to secure their own part of Internet if there are disruptions. Which in my opinion every country should encourage.

Now, we have the same kind of regulations in Bulgarian (unsurprisingly) and, if I may play the Devil’s Advocate for a moment… perhaps Russia is learning all this from us, the “free world of the EU”. So do we blame them for doing what we do, or we are just envious they do it better and more effective than us? </DevilsAdvocate>

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>> The right thing to do here is for the RIPE NCC to continue to work with the Russian registries, to make sure they are not diverging.
> Unfortunately if their government decides they want to diverge - there's nothing we can really do, can we?

Well.. our governments appear to want that Russia gets isolated and diverge.
What can we do? Change our governments?

Daniel