[members-discuss] RIPEdb registry need to be ready for separating?

W dniu 15.03.2022 o 11:52, Daniel Kalchev pisze:
>> So please convince me what is the better course of action.
> 
> You essentially want someone else to take responsibility for your own choices and actions. 

Sorry, but what have you got against an open debate, weighing options 
and considering multiple aspects of an issue by multiple people from 
multiple points of view? I am not an omniscient super-genius - nobody is 
(duh!) - thus a calm debate weighing all the options considering all 
available data is the best way to evaluate what is the best solution. 
Wouldn't you agree?

> This might, or might not work. It never works long term.

What might work or not? A debate? It seems calm debate considering all 
options and facts is the best long term solution.

> The Internet community has been working for decades to keep the Internet unified, and especially the IP and DNS registries be unique and unambigous.

I know that. Yet there we are - in a situation where governments want to 
enforce their own DNS entries.

> This is by far not the first time we face such callenge… all previous times were caused
> by friendly enterpreneurs from “our side”. It was stopped at great cost (manhours spent
> of thousands of people worldwide to talk it over).

Unfortunately some entities are not capable of talking honestly and in 
good faith.

> There is nothing wrong in Russia setting up their own “mirror” of any registry. 
> As long as we do not cut them from the “original” this is ok and might be for
> the benefit of everybody. Actually, some European countries have been doing this
> ever since we had Internet — you probably just didn’t know.

The problem is those are not mirrors - those are fakes. I.e. the Polish 
regulation (supposedly only to be used to block only gambling sites but 
is implemented as an administrative decision without any judiciary 
oversight) is frighteningly similar to what Russia is planning to do 
with their DNS "mirrors". Not a big problem over here as it is easy for 
any end user to circumvent... until the government blocks all "foreign" 
DNS systems (i.e. forces all ISPs to block access to any foreign DNS).

> Internet registries are not about politics. If you want your registry to stay stable
> and not be “fixed” after the next elections, just stay away from politics. This can’t be stressed enough.

Please explain that not to me but to the Russian (and sadly not just 
Russian) government.

> Filtering penetration attempts is an entirely different topic, nothing to do with RIPE (as registry).
> Everyone does it. It happens all the time and has not increased following recent events. Not only this,
> but most of those “Russian and Chinese” computers are just victims of someone hacking them. 
> Not only that someone might not be Russian or Chinese, but since these are automated scripts they might not even know they attack you in particular.

Suuuuure.

> The right thing to do here is for the RIPE NCC to continue to work with the Russian registries, to make sure they are not diverging.
Unfortunately if their government decides they want to diverge - there's 
nothing we can really do, can we?

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