[members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails

Is there any good guy that can exclude me from this conversation?

It seems the unsubscribe link I used several times doesn't work and, to 
be honest over 170 messages from this group in last two days it's really 
too much

thanks fof your comprehension

Il 27/04/20 13:50, Cynthia Revström ha scritto:
> Hi Elad,
>
> There are 3 major differences I see here,
>
> 1. rfg presents lots of evidence that you would have been involved in 
> shady things (I am not sure if they are true and frankly I don't have 
> time currently to look at all of the documents)
> Meanwhile you are saying that people are part of "The illegal 
> anonymous Spamhaus Project" just because they disagree with you, and 
> as you have said that I am involved in Spamhaus, I would like for you 
> to give me any proof that I am involved with spamhaus in any way 
> (which I am not).
>
> 2. rfg called you a "crook", which means dishonest or illegal, which 
> would be true if the things rfg stated are in fact true. Meanwhile you 
> called rfg a "coconut" which can't be anything other than an insult 
> referring to you thinking he is dumb.
>
> 3. rfg called you a "crook" once in a long email after describing why 
> he thinks you are a "crook", meanwhile you sent an email that I have 
> posted in its entirety below.
>
> > START
> Michael,
>
> Ronald didn't insult me because he is mentally-illed, and he is doing it only because I found out who are the real people behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which Coconut Guilmette and Cheerleader Nussbacher are part of.
>
> Respectfully,
> Elad
> > END
>
> Please just stop it Elad.
>
> Now I still think it was wrong of rfg to use that word, but it is not 
> at all the same thing in my eyes.
>
> - Cynthia
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:36 PM Elad Cohen <elad at netstyle.io 
> <mailto:elad at netstyle.io>> wrote:
>
>     https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/2019-September/005301.html
>
>     These are all complete lies only because I found out who are the
>     real people behind "The Spamhaus Project"
>
>     You can see how he is calling me there
>
>     Everything there are lies and fake, the "source" for the fake
>     media report is a member of "The Spamhaus Project" and also an
>     employee of a direct competitor (that enjoyed from that fake media
>     report) of a company which used the netblock, and the "source" is
>     also the owner of that criminal twitter account:
>     https://twitter.com/UnderTheBreach
>     <https://twitter.com/UnderTheBreach> , he is a master of cyber
>     influence operations according to his own words in his criminal
>     twitter account and also a member of your cyber-security community.
>
>     Respectfully,
>     Elad
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From:* Cynthia Revström <me at cynthia.re <mailto:me at cynthia.re>>
>     *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2020 2:14 PM
>     *To:* Elad Cohen <elad at netstyle.io <mailto:elad at netstyle.io>>
>     *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>
>     <members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>>
>     *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination
>     and emails
>     Elad, please send me an archive link to the specific email on a
>     RIPE/RIPE NCC mailing list where RFG called you a rude name.
>
>     - Cynthia
>
>     On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:12 PM Elad Cohen <elad at netstyle.io
>     <mailto:elad at netstyle.io>> wrote:
>
>         He called me with antisemitic names many times and on many
>         working groups and you said nothing, you claim not to see his
>         messages, but you clearly saw all of my messages and you are
>         monitoring me pretty well. I'm sorry but I don't believe you,
>         specially when you are attacking me personally so heavily with
>         distorting the facts. You clearly so the word coconut - so you
>         also saw what I shared on the same post that he wrote on other
>         groups of people and that he was called a racist and an
>         antisemitic - but you decided to ignore this as well, so you
>         didn't read my whole post - you read only the word 'coconut'
>         and you decided to jump in ?
>
>         Cynthia, please spread your lies somewhere else.
>
>         Respectfully,
>         Elad
>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>         *From:* Cynthia Revström <me at cynthia.re <mailto:me at cynthia.re>>
>         *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2020 2:05 PM
>         *To:* Elad Cohen <elad at netstyle.io <mailto:elad at netstyle.io>>
>         *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net
>         <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> <members-discuss at ripe.net
>         <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>>
>         *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's
>         nomination and emails
>         Elad, first of all, I am not an employee or in any way related
>         to Spamhaus, and I doubt many of the people you have suggested
>         are part of it have anything to do with it either.
>
>         And because I have things to do that are not spending my
>         entire days on RIPE mailing lists I guess I missed RFG calling
>         you names, but I will assure you that if I was on those
>         discussions I would call him out if he called you a "coconut"
>         or similar.
>         Also just because someone has called you names on mailing
>         lists doesn't mean you get to call them names on mailing lists.
>
>         - Cynthia
>
>         On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:58 PM Elad Cohen <elad at netstyle.io
>         <mailto:elad at netstyle.io>> wrote:
>
>             Cynthia,
>
>             The sick person which you are referring to and is your
>             colleague from "The Spamhaus Project", defamed me for many
>             many months, here in Ripe and in Nanog, he called me by
>             many names without a single proof. He was called an
>             antisemitic and a  racist not by me - but by people which
>             are not related to me in Nanog. After many months I
>             provided an official response in Ripe. I didn't hear your
>             voice when he defamed me for many many months with him
>             calling me by many names. So obviously your interests are
>             hidden.
>
>             In the other working groups - I only replied to him, and I
>             didn't hear your voice regarding your sick colleague
>             initial message with name callings towards me when I only
>             replied to his attack on me. And his personal attack on me
>             is exactly like your personal attack on me now - you are
>             afraid that an alternative solution to "The Spamhaus
>             Project" will be implemented if I will be elected.
>
>             Respectfully,
>             Elad
>             ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>             *From:* members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net
>             <mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net>> on behalf of
>             Cynthia Revström <me at cynthia.re <mailto:me at cynthia.re>>
>             *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2020 1:50 PM
>             *To:* Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md at c4inet.net
>             <mailto:ripe-md at c4inet.net>>
>             *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net
>             <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>
>             <members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>>
>             *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's
>             nomination and emails
>             > The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing
>             "professionality"
>             on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs'
>             responsibility.
>
>             AFAIK there are no WG chairs of members-discuss and
>             members-discuss is a mailing list that the RIPE NCC hosts
>             to let RIPE NCC members discuss RIPE NCC membership
>             related topics, so I think they certainly have business
>             enforcing people to be professional on this mailing list.
>
>             I would also like to add that Elad has multiple times on
>             different mailing lists ignored the WG chairs.
>             Also this is happening across a variety of RIPE/RIPE NCC
>             mailing lists that are all hosted by the RIPE NCC and as
>             such I think it is their business to keep them to a
>             professional standard.
>
>             > If I'm wrong, where do
>             I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the
>             community?
>
>             There should not be a long list of people, but when
>             someone is behaving unprofessionally, calling people
>             "coconut", being defamatory towards the RIPE NCC, ignoring
>             WG chairs, I do think that they have gone too far and
>             everything has a limit.
>             Like we wouldn't allow someone to send sales emails to the
>             mailing list as an example, aka limits on what is allowed.
>
>             - Cynthia
>
>             On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:43 PM Sascha Luck [ml]
>             <ripe-md at c4inet.net <mailto:ripe-md at c4inet.net>> wrote:
>
>                 On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:02:59AM +0200, Cynthia
>                 Revstrm wrote:
>                 >I would like to propose that the RIPE NCC ban Elad
>                 Cohen from interacting
>                 >with the RIPE Community (via Meetings or mailing
>                 lists) due to his blatant
>                 >disregard for the Code of Conduct and for being
>                 hostile towards others in
>                 >the community. As the RIPE NCC hosts and manages
>                 these lists I think the
>                 >RIPE NCC has a responsibility to keep the lists
>                 professional and to remove
>                 >those who repeatedly ignore what the WG chairs are
>                 saying.
>
>                 The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing
>                 "professionality"
>                 on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs'
>                 responsibility. Nor do I think the NCC should
>                 determine who can
>                 be a member of the RIPE community or not. If I'm
>                 wrong, where do
>                 I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded
>                 from the
>                 community?
>                 I think this proposal is the most out-of-order thing
>                 I've yet
>                 seen in this thread.
>
>                 rgds,
>                 Sascha Luck
>
>                 >
>                 >- Cynthia
>
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