[members-discuss] WG: Feedback Requested: RIPE NCC Broker List

Hi

I am not very comfortable with idea have ripe become some sort of
regulatory for brokerage market...

Maxemilian Hilbrand <maxemilian.hilbrand at isicore.com>于2019年12月19日 周四22:39写道：

> I would also vote for option B
>
>
>
> As I completely understand that costs were associated with LIR accounts, a
> fee for transferring IP address spaces is justified. Assuming, the most of
> us did not “purchase” IP addresses before (we run out of IPv4), a source of
> trusted traders would be essential to make a transaction. Even better would
> be to get the addresses directly from the LIR.
>
> Furthermore, RIPE might suggest a price per IP address or limit the price.
> This would avoid excessive trading and money-making with initially “free”
> addresses.
>
>
>
> Best regards
>
>
>
>
>
> *Maxemilian Hilbrand* (Software & Systeme)
>
> [image: isicore_s_small]
>
> CH: +41 71 511 722 0
> AT (mobile): +43 660 703 92 54
> maxemilian.hilbrand at isicore.com
>
>
> isicore AG • Unterlettenstrasse 14 • CH-9443 Widnau
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Unterlettenstrasse+14+%E2%80%A2+CH-9443+Widnau?entry=gmail&source=g>
> Gerichtsstandort CH-9450 Altstätten, UID CHE-110.354.078
> Verwaltungsratspräsident: Maxemilian Hilbrand
>
> www.isicore.com* I  *info at isicore.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> *Im Auftrag von
> *Lilia Carvalho via members-discuss
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 19. Dezember 2019 15:18
> *An:* Schnabeltier <ripe-member-discuss at cidr.eu>; members-discuss at ripe.net
> *Betreff:* Re: [members-discuss] Feedback Requested: RIPE NCC Broker List
>
>
>
> I would vote for option B …
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <http://www.angolacables.com/?utm_campaign=AngolaCables&utm_source=Website&utm_medium=Traffic>
>
> Melhores Cumprimentos / Kind Regards.
> Lilia Carvalho
>
> Especialista de Desenvolvimento de Negócio
> *Business Development Specialist*
>
> mob: +244927686185
> email:   lilia.carvalho at angolacables.co.ao
> www.angolacables.co.ao
> AS Number: 37468
>
>
>
>
> <https://www.angolacables.co.ao/sacs/#utm_source=Website_AC&utm_medium=Servi%C3%A7os&utm_campaign=SACS>
>
> Antes de imprimir esta mensagem, pense no meio ambiente. | Please consider
> the environment before printing this email.
>
> NOTA DE CONFIDENCIALIDADE: Esta mensagem (e eventuais ficheiros anexos) é
> confidencial e deverá ser lida apenas por aqueles a quem ela é dirigida. Se
> não é o destinatário da mesma, por favor, apague a mensagem do seu
> computador e destrua quaisquer cópias. É proibida a sua divulgação ou cópia
> sem a autorização da Angola Cables.
> DISCLAIMER NOTICE: This message (and any files attached) is confidential
> and should only be read by those to whom it is addressed. If you are not
> the intended recipient, please contact Angola Cables or delete the message
> from your computer and destroy any copies. Any distribution or copying
> without our prior permission is prohibited.
>
> *From:* members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> *On Behalf Of *
> Schnabeltier
> *Sent:* 19 de dezembro de 2019 10:38
> *To:* members-discuss at ripe.net
> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Feedback Requested: RIPE NCC Broker List
>
>
>
> Dear colleagues,
>
>
> I think we have three options. I would vote for option B:
>
>
>
> A) Keeping the list.
>
>
>
> B) We would consider it as important to have a list of reliable brokers.
> The RIPE NCC would only publish information of brokers which are verified.
> If the majority would vote for this option, we have to find a solution how
> to verify the integrity of brokers.
>
>
>
> C) We do not consider a list of reliable brokers as important. While RIPE
> NCC cannot or does not want to validate the integrity of brokers at this
> moment, the list should be removed.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Christian Kaufmann <exec-board at ripe.net
> <http:///email/new/1/exec-board%40ripe.net>>
> *Sent:* Thursday, 19. Dec 2019 – 10:17 CET +0100
> *To:* members-discuss at ripe.net
> <http:///email/new/1/members-discuss%40ripe.net>
>
> *Subject:* [members-discuss] Feedback Requested: RIPE NCC Broker List
>
> Dear RIPE NCC members,
>
>
>
> The Executive Board has been following this discussion and we can see
>
> general agreement for a change in the way brokers are listed on the RIPE
>
> NCC's website.
>
>
>
> The question is whether the RIPE NCC should remove the list entirely, or
>
> otherwise take steps to improve its approach. There are pros and cons
>
> with both options.
>
>
>
> Removing the list is straightforward and would spare the RIPE NCC a few
>
> headaches. However, it is worth considering whether the current model
>
> provides some incentive for brokers to play by the rules and what might
>
> happen if this incentive is gone.
>
>
>
> Conversely, it's clear that some brokers are still spamming RIPE
>
> Database contacts. Is this the only problem we are seeking to eliminate
>
> here, or are there others? Could an updated set of terms or a stricter
>
> approach by the RIPE NCC help to mitigate this?
>
>
>
> Before the board makes its decision, we would like to hear your thoughts
>
> on this list.
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
> Christian Kaufmann
>
> RIPE NCC Executive Board Chairman
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> members-discuss mailing list
>
> members-discuss at ripe.net
>
> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss
>
> Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe-member-discuss%40cidr.eu
>
> _______________________________________________
> members-discuss mailing list
> members-discuss at ripe.net
> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss
> Unsubscribe:
> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/tech%40outsideheaven.com
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/attachments/20191219/60c20fad/attachment.html>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: ac_sign_c8ba7bb1-91c6-470f-8ad5-a7fd1d539ca9.png
Type: image/png
Size: 13532 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/attachments/20191219/60c20fad/attachment.png>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: Assinatura_SACS_AO_3b112887-baeb-4bac-9127-facb51eea0fb.png
Type: image/png
Size: 34514 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/attachments/20191219/60c20fad/attachment-0001.png>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: image001.png
Type: image/png
Size: 2072 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/attachments/20191219/60c20fad/attachment-0002.png>