[members-discuss] RIPE forces us to pay the bill unfairly

I'm getting the impression we have quite a lot of experts on Dutch law around on this list. Fascinating!


Kind regards,  C.


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Sent: 17 July 2018 11:26:59
To: Aleksey Bulgakov
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Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE forces us to pay the bill unfairly

"There isn't a secret that noncommercial organisation earns money and doesn't want to share it."
Each organization has its own set of rules, but they can not contradict the law.
I also do not understand how it is possible to bill for a service under the agreement "after the fact".

Kind regards, Sergey Cheromush

17 липня 2018, 10:57:45, від "Aleksey Bulgakov" <aleksbulgakov at gmail.com<mailto:aleksbulgakov at gmail.com>>:

Hi.

There isn't a secret that noncommercial organisation earns money and doesn't want to share it. But it shows that it cares about members trying to keep IPv4 pool available  for future business so long asit  possible. But there is market where everyone can buy necessary IPv4 without request to mantioned organisation.

вт, 17 Июл 2018 г., 9:05 Andrey Levrinets <levrinets.andrey at ukr.net<mailto:levrinets.andrey at ukr.net>>:
Hi all,
"A member must pay the full annual service fee for each LIR account(s) held before they can transfer resources or close their LIR account(s)"
There is no word about accounts that have not been active for the full year.

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Andrey

16 липня 2018, 13:01:52, від "Freethought Hostmaster" <hostmaster at freethought-internet.co.uk<mailto:hostmaster at freethought-internet.co.uk>>:

Hi Jens,

Actually, the RIPE service fee for new members is charged on a pro-rata basis, so if you join part way through the year, then you only pay for part of the year. I seem to recall that this is done down quarterly granularity.

See https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/payment/billing-procedure-and-fee-schedule-2018#fees-for-new-members for example.

Edward Dore
Freethought Internet

From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net>> on behalf of Jens Ott <ripe at opteamax.de<mailto:ripe at opteamax.de>>
Date: Monday, 16 July 2018 at 07:02
To: "members-discuss at ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>" <members-discuss at ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>>
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE forces us to pay the bill unfairly

Hi,

Please read the charging scheme carefully, it only talks about an annual fee. The offer to pay it in 4 steps is just an offer but doesn't change anything about the amount. There is no monthly fee or daily fee... There are no definitions that entering over the year reduces the costs.

Maybe we should just remove that offer to not pay everything at once, this would decrease discussions and time for processing a transfer.

BR
Jens

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