[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple LIR Accounts - Please Discuss

Hi , Pavel,

What do you mean by "offer IPv6 address for checks" ?

As all of us understand
"Announce IPv6" doesn't mean "Use IPv6"
?

Announcing IPv6 doesn't require much efforts, isn't it.
So method of "checking the use of IPv6" should be strong enough.


В письме от Четверг, 11-фев-2016 18:05:29 пользователь Pavel Odintsov написал:
> I have few words about IPv6. I'm real fan of IPv6.
> 
> But actually almost all companies who want last /22 subnet just get IPv6
> and do not use it really. From my point of view, you should check real
> network usage by analyzing BGP routing table.
> 
> In other words each LIR should:
> 1) Get new IPv6 subet from RIPE
> 2) Announce it and offer IPv6 address for checks
> 3) Get last /22 IPv4 subnet
> 
> Almost all "IPv6" subnets received for last months haven't used really.
> That's bad.
> 
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Jack <noc at kwaoo.net> wrote:
> > > RIPE supports reselling of big subnets by providing their Transfer
> > 
> > listing service.
> > 
> > > Those networks shouldn’t be sold. They should be returned to the NCC
> > 
> > pool and be assigned to providers who need them.
> > Providers who need them, means, in my opinion, providers who have a wide
> > IPv6 deployment.
> > Tough job to appreciate the IPv6 deployement status of a LIR, but I
> > really think this must be a requirement for getting more IPv4 easily.
> > 
> > You want IPv4 ? Deploy IPv6, then we will talk. You do not care about
> > IPv6 ? No v4 for you.
> > 
> > > Von: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] Im
> > 
> > Auftrag von Pavel Odintsov
> > 
> > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Februar 2016 15:42
> > > An: Radu Brebu <dial at dialcube.ro<mailto:dial at dialcube.ro>>
> > > Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>
> > > Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members
> > 
> > and Multiple LIR Accounts - Please Discuss
> > 
> > > Hello, folks!
> > > 
> > > That's good conversation. I'm representing VPS service company. We
> > 
> > bought multiple /20 and /21 subnets at last 2 years.
> > 
> > > But actually there really big injustice exists here!
> > > 
> > > I've followed all RIPE guidance and request resources only when they
> > 
> > really required for next 3-6 months. I have 95% subnet utilization in each
> > network! All my IP addresses really used.
> > 
> > > But I known so much LIR's who just ignore RIPE rules and requested bunch
> > 
> > of /18, /16 networks many years ago.... just because they can. Right now
> > almost all this networks are on IPv4 market.
> > 
> > > And I should pay my money to persons which violated RIPE rules for a
> > 
> > long time.
> > 
> > > Than't really weird, isn't it?
> > 
> > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Radu Brebu <dial at dialcube.ro<mailto:
> > dial at dialcube.ro>> wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > > 
> > > This is a socialist way of thinking, you are free (ipotetic speaking) to
> > 
> > open another lir and satisfy your VPS needs no? some companies prefer to
> > plan their business long term. In my opinion it's not ok to prioritize
> > resources keeping in mind only the need. We are leaving and doing business
> > in a capitalist environment, buying resources it is what is all about.
> > 
> > > On 02/11/16 16:19, José Manuel Giner wrote:
> > > I agree with it. We need IPs to continue providing VPS servers, and
> > 
> > other LIRs with unused prefixes, no sense...
> > 
> > > On 11/02/2016 15:09, Aleksey Bulgakov wrote:
> > > Hi, all.
> > > 
> > >  I think, it is better to return unused allocations, received before
> > >  2012, to the NCC pool.
> > >  
> > >  --
> > >  Kind regards,
> > >  Aleksey Bulgakov
> > >  FastTelecom, CEO
> > >  7 926 6908729
> > > 
> > > 14:02, 11 февраля 2016 г., Nigel Titley :
> > >     Dear colleagues,
> > >     
> > >     The RIPE NCC Executive Board would like to ask the membership to
> > >     discuss
> > >     the issue of RIPE NCC members opening additional LIR accounts.
> > >     
> > >     There were comments at the RIPE NCC General Meeting (GM) in November
> > >     2015 that members having the ability to open additional LIR
> > >     accounts,
> > >     each of which can request a /22 of IPv4 address space, may run
> > 
> > against
> > 
> > >     the spirit of the last /8 policy. In light of this, the Board
> > >     decided to
> > >     temporarily suspend the ability of RIPE NCC members to open
> > 
> > additional
> > 
> > >     LIR accounts.
> > >     
> > >     The RIPE NCC began to allocate IPv4 address space from the last /8
> > >     policy on 14 September 2012. Since that time the RIPE NCC has
> > >     allocated
> > >     more than 8,600 /22s, yet there remains 0.94 of a /8 still in the
> > >     pool.
> > >     
> > >     ACTION REQUIRED:
> > >     The Board asks the membership to provide their opinion on and
> > >     discuss
> > >     the following points:
> > >     
> > >     1. Is the activity of members opening additional LIR accounts a
> > >     problem
> > >     that must be prevented?
> > >     
> > >     2. If this activity is a problem that must be prevented, what action
> > >     should the RIPE NCC take to attempt its prevention?
> > >     
> > >     Statistics pertinent to this discussion are available in this
> > >     article on
> > 
> > >     RIPE Labs:
> > https://labs.ripe.net/Members/laura_cobley/ripe-ncc-members-and-multiple-l
> > ir-accounts?pk_campaign=members&pk_kwd=list-ncc> 
> > >     The Board asks that members discuss this issue on the Members
> > >     Discuss
> > >     mailing list .
> > >     
> > >     The Board will monitor the discussion and will review it at the next
> > >     Executive Board Meeting on 31 March 2016. Depending on the outcome
> > >     of
> > >     that meeting, the Board may propose a resolution for members to
> > >     vote on
> > >     at the RIPE NCC General Meeting in May 2016.
> > >     
> > >     Best regards,
> > >     
> > >     Nigel Titley
> > >     RIPE NCC Executive Board
> > > 
> > > ----
> > > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss
> > > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the
> > 
> > general page:
> > > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/
> > > 
> > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From
> > 
> > here, you can add or remove addresses.
> > 
> > > ----
> > > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss
> > > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the
> > 
> > general page:
> > > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/
> > > 
> > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From
> > 
> > here, you can add or remove addresses.
> > 
> > > --
> > > Sincerely yours,  Pavel Odintsov
> > > CTO, FastVPS Eesti OU
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----
> > > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss
> > > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the
> > 
> > general page:
> > > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/
> > > 
> > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From
> > 
> > here, you can add or remove addresses.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Jack
> > Kwaoo noc
> > 
> > More details about KWAOO can be found at:
> > https://as24904.kwaoo.net/
> > 
> > ----
> > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss
> > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the
> > general page:
> > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/
> > 
> > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From
> > here, you can add or remove addresses.

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Best regards,
Oleg A. Chernov
OAC4-RIPE
WildPark ISP, Nikolaev, Ukraine
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