[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple LIR Accounts - Please Discuss

I'm agree. Complete check is pretty complex. Actually even routing table
check for some IPv6 subnet existence will be better than "just receive IPv6
subnet allocation" on the paper.

For example we could ask LIR to get Atlas probe and use it as IPv6
connectivity monitoring :)

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 6:41 PM, Oleg Chernov <olegch at wildpark.net> wrote:

> Hi , Pavel,
>
> What do you mean by "offer IPv6 address for checks" ?
>
> As all of us understand
> "Announce IPv6" doesn't mean "Use IPv6"
> ?
>
> Announcing IPv6 doesn't require much efforts, isn't it.
> So method of "checking the use of IPv6" should be strong enough.
>
>
> В письме от Четверг, 11-фев-2016 18:05:29 пользователь Pavel Odintsov
> написал:
> > I have few words about IPv6. I'm real fan of IPv6.
> >
> > But actually almost all companies who want last /22 subnet just get IPv6
> > and do not use it really. From my point of view, you should check real
> > network usage by analyzing BGP routing table.
> >
> > In other words each LIR should:
> > 1) Get new IPv6 subet from RIPE
> > 2) Announce it and offer IPv6 address for checks
> > 3) Get last /22 IPv4 subnet
> >
> > Almost all "IPv6" subnets received for last months haven't used really.
> > That's bad.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Jack <noc at kwaoo.net> wrote:
> > > > RIPE supports reselling of big subnets by providing their Transfer
> > >
> > > listing service.
> > >
> > > > Those networks shouldn’t be sold. They should be returned to the NCC
> > >
> > > pool and be assigned to providers who need them.
> > > Providers who need them, means, in my opinion, providers who have a
> wide
> > > IPv6 deployment.
> > > Tough job to appreciate the IPv6 deployement status of a LIR, but I
> > > really think this must be a requirement for getting more IPv4 easily.
> > >
> > > You want IPv4 ? Deploy IPv6, then we will talk. You do not care about
> > > IPv6 ? No v4 for you.
> > >
> > > > Von: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] Im
> > >
> > > Auftrag von Pavel Odintsov
> > >
> > > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Februar 2016 15:42
> > > > An: Radu Brebu <dial at dialcube.ro<mailto:dial at dialcube.ro>>
> > > > Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>
> > > > Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members
> > >
> > > and Multiple LIR Accounts - Please Discuss
> > >
> > > > Hello, folks!
> > > >
> > > > That's good conversation. I'm representing VPS service company. We
> > >
> > > bought multiple /20 and /21 subnets at last 2 years.
> > >
> > > > But actually there really big injustice exists here!
> > > >
> > > > I've followed all RIPE guidance and request resources only when they
> > >
> > > really required for next 3-6 months. I have 95% subnet utilization in
> each
> > > network! All my IP addresses really used.
> > >
> > > > But I known so much LIR's who just ignore RIPE rules and requested
> bunch
> > >
> > > of /18, /16 networks many years ago.... just because they can. Right
> now
> > > almost all this networks are on IPv4 market.
> > >
> > > > And I should pay my money to persons which violated RIPE rules for a
> > >
> > > long time.
> > >
> > > > Than't really weird, isn't it?
> > >
> > > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Radu Brebu <dial at dialcube.ro
> <mailto:
> > > dial at dialcube.ro>> wrote:
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > This is a socialist way of thinking, you are free (ipotetic
> speaking) to
> > >
> > > open another lir and satisfy your VPS needs no? some companies prefer
> to
> > > plan their business long term. In my opinion it's not ok to prioritize
> > > resources keeping in mind only the need. We are leaving and doing
> business
> > > in a capitalist environment, buying resources it is what is all about.
> > >
> > > > On 02/11/16 16:19, José Manuel Giner wrote:
> > > > I agree with it. We need IPs to continue providing VPS servers, and
> > >
> > > other LIRs with unused prefixes, no sense...
> > >
> > > > On 11/02/2016 15:09, Aleksey Bulgakov wrote:
> > > > Hi, all.
> > > >
> > > >  I think, it is better to return unused allocations, received before
> > > >  2012, to the NCC pool.
> > > >
> > > >  --
> > > >  Kind regards,
> > > >  Aleksey Bulgakov
> > > >  FastTelecom, CEO
> > > >  7 926 6908729
> > > >
> > > > 14:02, 11 февраля 2016 г., Nigel Titley :
> > > >     Dear colleagues,
> > > >
> > > >     The RIPE NCC Executive Board would like to ask the membership to
> > > >     discuss
> > > >     the issue of RIPE NCC members opening additional LIR accounts.
> > > >
> > > >     There were comments at the RIPE NCC General Meeting (GM) in
> November
> > > >     2015 that members having the ability to open additional LIR
> > > >     accounts,
> > > >     each of which can request a /22 of IPv4 address space, may run
> > >
> > > against
> > >
> > > >     the spirit of the last /8 policy. In light of this, the Board
> > > >     decided to
> > > >     temporarily suspend the ability of RIPE NCC members to open
> > >
> > > additional
> > >
> > > >     LIR accounts.
> > > >
> > > >     The RIPE NCC began to allocate IPv4 address space from the last
> /8
> > > >     policy on 14 September 2012. Since that time the RIPE NCC has
> > > >     allocated
> > > >     more than 8,600 /22s, yet there remains 0.94 of a /8 still in the
> > > >     pool.
> > > >
> > > >     ACTION REQUIRED:
> > > >     The Board asks the membership to provide their opinion on and
> > > >     discuss
> > > >     the following points:
> > > >
> > > >     1. Is the activity of members opening additional LIR accounts a
> > > >     problem
> > > >     that must be prevented?
> > > >
> > > >     2. If this activity is a problem that must be prevented, what
> action
> > > >     should the RIPE NCC take to attempt its prevention?
> > > >
> > > >     Statistics pertinent to this discussion are available in this
> > > >     article on
> > >
> > > >     RIPE Labs:
> > >
> https://labs.ripe.net/Members/laura_cobley/ripe-ncc-members-and-multiple-l
> > > ir-accounts?pk_campaign=members&pk_kwd=list-ncc>
> > > >     The Board asks that members discuss this issue on the Members
> > > >     Discuss
> > > >     mailing list .
> > > >
> > > >     The Board will monitor the discussion and will review it at the
> next
> > > >     Executive Board Meeting on 31 March 2016. Depending on the
> outcome
> > > >     of
> > > >     that meeting, the Board may propose a resolution for members to
> > > >     vote on
> > > >     at the RIPE NCC General Meeting in May 2016.
> > > >
> > > >     Best regards,
> > > >
> > > >     Nigel Titley
> > > >     RIPE NCC Executive Board
> > > >
> > > > ----
> > > > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss
> > > > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the
> > >
> > > general page:
> > > > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/
> > > >
> > > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists".
> From
> > >
> > > here, you can add or remove addresses.
> > >
> > > > ----
> > > > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss
> > > > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the
> > >
> > > general page:
> > > > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/
> > > >
> > > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists".
> From
> > >
> > > here, you can add or remove addresses.
> > >
> > > > --
> > > > Sincerely yours,  Pavel Odintsov
> > > > CTO, FastVPS Eesti OU
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----
> > > > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss
> > > > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the
> > >
> > > general page:
> > > > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/
> > > >
> > > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists".
> From
> > >
> > > here, you can add or remove addresses.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jack
> > > Kwaoo noc
> > >
> > > More details about KWAOO can be found at:
> > > https://as24904.kwaoo.net/
> > >
> > > ----
> > > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss
> > > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the
> > > general page:
> > > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/
> > >
> > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From
> > > here, you can add or remove addresses.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Oleg A. Chernov
> OAC4-RIPE
> WildPark ISP, Nikolaev, Ukraine
> +380512 709555
> +380512 470555
>
>


-- 
Sincerely yours,  Pavel Odintsov
CTO, FastVPS Eesti OU
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