[members-discuss] Proposed 2012 Charging scheme, Board comments

At 09:40 03/10/2011 +0100, Simon Lockhart wrote:

http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-507

2010: 16.5M
2011: 17.9M

During 2002-2006 the budget was under or close to 10M and since 2007 the 
budget has gone up and up.  You can assume 2012 will be well over 18M.

-Hank

>Has anyone from RIPE said that the budget is 12M? 15M? 18M? Is just just
>speculation on the part of one member?
>
>Has RIPE actually said what the cost per member is going to be?
>
>I've not seen anything sent to the list, but there seems to be plenty of
>bad feeling about supposed massive price increases.
>
>Simon
>
>On Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 08:35:19AM +0100, Jon Morby wrote:
> > 18m Euro?
> >
> > Perhaps in these times of austerity we should be looking at reducing 
> operating costs not increasing them.
> >
> > Even ?15m seems somewhat excessive in my mind despite the numerous 
> benefits RIPE brings to the Internet as a whole (most of which we don't 
> realise or see) :(
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On 2 Oct 2011, at 19:51, "SPEEDNIC S.R.L. - RIPE Handling" 
> <ripe-lir at speednic.eu> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Gert,
> > >
> > > Am 02.10.2011 14:39, schrieb Gert Doering:
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Oct 02, 2011 at 11:10:23AM -0300, SPEEDNIC S.R.L. - RIPE 
> Handling wrote:
> > >>> As revewed the change matrix it means that like all membres will
> > >>> increase one or two categories in the charging scheme. Only a very 
> small
> > >>> amount will decrease. This guess to us that the budget will increase a
> > >>> lot too ?? Why RIPE NCC will need a so high budget for 2012 instead of
> > >>> 2011 ??
> > >>
> > >> The distribution of LIRs to charging categories happens in such a way
> > >> that the resulting income will match the budget.  Normally the budget
> > >> for 2012 should not be much higher than for 2011 (detailed numbers will
> > >> usually be published before the AGM), so it looks like you have not used
> > >> fully correct numbers.
> > >>
> > >> Gert Doering
> > >>         -- NetMaster
> > >
> > > sorry but I must tell you that you're wrong. I have based the members
> > > (Budget 2011 - 7725 Members - from RIPE document
> > > 
> https://www.ripe.net/lir-services/ncc/gm/november-2010/ChargingSchemeslides.pdf) 
>
> > > with the change matrix of 2012 and have recalculated the fees with the
> > > following result :
> > >
> > > Based on a calculation of 7725 members in Year 2011 the budget was about
> > > 15.190.750 EUR (based on 2011 charging prices) for the member fees.
> > >
> > > Based on the new 2012 scheme the budget will be about 18.538.000 EUR
> > > (+/- a little bit in fact of rounding difference). So in total we can
> > > speak about an increase of more than 3.000.000 EUR (about +20% as for
> > > 2011) of the member fees !?!?!?!
> > >
> > > In my calculation I don't putting in the PI space because the price of
> > > 50 EUR hasn't changed. I never seen that the costs will increase 20%
> > > within one year. So what you mean now ??
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >     Alexander Schoberl
> > >       SPEEDNIC S.R.L.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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