[diversity] Community Plenary Presentation
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Sasha Romijn
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Thu Oct 17 15:53:53 CEST 2019
We’re working on amending the text. Sasha > On 17 Oct 2019, at 15:36, Amanda Gowland <agowland at ripe.net> wrote: > > When the TF asked for clarity on the remit of the Trusted Contacts, we were informed on the list that: > > "Yes, I would argue that there are examples where the trusted contacts > together with the RIPE chair have taken actions successfully. Maybe we > weren't so good at reporting back to the community (which of course > would help with the perception part)." > > and > > "As Trusted Contacts, our primary responsibility is confidentiality of the report to us. Our training was as a "vertrouwenspersoon," although > fortunately for me that was the only part of the training that took > place in Dutch. > > This makes the production of reports somewhat difficult as above all we > do not want those who have reported an issue to us to feel they could be > identified through that report -- or that in future they do not report > an issue for fear of being identified (the simple act of writing down > the report is even something to consider). > > We do report back to Hans Petter, and we are currently working on a > report but with the figures quite abstracted as a result. If others > that have been involved in similar work elsewhere have examples of the > level of public report we could be producing, they would be welcome. So > far, my suggestion is that it is no more detailed than something along > the lines of the following categories: > > - "In-meeting behaviour"; > - "Behaviour at social events"; > - "Mailing list behaviour" > > The number of reports we do receive is, as that report will show, quite low. " > > On 17/10/2019 15:33, Sasha Romijn wrote: >> I am definitely confused, because the text as written in the notes is precisely how I heard it multiple times from at least one of the other trusted contacts. >> >> Sasha >> >> On 17 Oct 2019, at 15:29, Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet at heanet.ie> wrote: >> >>> Mirjam, >>> >>> Ok, so, then there is confusion, and, if you could help, what can they do? >>> >>> I can edit and re-upload. >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> Brian Nisbet, >>> Service Operations Manager, HEAnet >>> From: Mirjam Kuehne <mir at ripe.net> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 3:22:58 PM >>> To: Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet at heanet.ie>; diversity at ripe.net <diversity at ripe.net> >>> Subject: Re: [diversity] Community Plenary Presentation >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> On slides 5 in the speaker notes (which I assume will be published?) it >>> says: >>> >>> ""Trusted contacts will emotionally support you, but absolutely can not >>> take any other action. Effectively, our CoC creates a false sense of >>> security. So our community’s current status is: if you get severely >>> harassed at the party, which is a thing that happens, we can say how >>> sorry we are for you, and tomorrow and next year your assailant will be >>> sitting next to you. There is a CoC, but there is no accountability or >>> consequences.”" >>> >>> This is not true and as I pointed out earlier on this list the Trusted >>> contacts (and the RIPE Chair) have taken action in the past. I agree >>> that the responsibilities of the Trusted Contacts may not be well >>> understood or documented, but stating it like in the text above is wrong. >>> >>> Mirjam >>> >>> >>> On 17/10/2019 14:58, Brian Nisbet wrote: >>> > Folks, >>> > >>> > Amanda, Denesh, Sasha and I have put this presentation together for the community plenary this afternoon. It is forthright, but we definitely feel that it needs to be so. >>> > >>> > We are going to make it clear that we're still accepting comments on v3.0, but also still looking at having this in place for RIPE 80 if at all possible. >>> > >>> > I know I and others present in Rotterdam have got some really good further feedback. >>> > >>> > And, of course, as with all things, whatever CoC we have is never set in stone, it's always changeable as situations change. >>> > >>> > Thanks for everyone's input on this so far! >>> > >>> > Brian >>> > >>> > Brian Nisbet >>> > Service Operations Manager >>> > HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network >>> > 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland >>> > +35316609040 brian.nisbet at heanet.ie www.heanet.ie >>> > Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. 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