[diversity] Requesting Impact Analysis + Legal Review from the RIPE NCC on CoC 2.0
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Brian Nisbet
brian.nisbet at heanet.ie
Fri Oct 4 17:54:01 CEST 2019
Yay, thanks all. And thank you Julia for stepping forward. If I can be of any help in formulating emails etc, please let me know. Brian Brian Nisbet Service Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nisbet at heanet.ie www.heanet.ie Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270 > -----Original Message----- > From: Amanda Gowland <agowland at ripe.net> > Sent: Friday 4 October 2019 12:55 > To: Mirjam Kuehne <mir at ripe.net>; Rob Evans <Rob.Evans at jisc.ac.uk>; > Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet at heanet.ie> > Cc: diversity at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [diversity] Requesting Impact Analysis + Legal Review from the > RIPE NCC on CoC 2.0 > > All, > > Thank you for all of eyeballs on this list - it helps a lot. > > I think we all agree - we need clarity on the process. I guess the good thing is > we're trailblazers! > > Rob -- I think it's not either or, but both. We need clarity on what the right > way forward is for these kinds of 'governance' documents outside the PDP > (and hopefully this prompts the documentation or formalisation of that > procedure) AND I think we need him to advise on our recommendation to > have legal review the 3.0 version (which merges two documents both > reviewed and commented by community members). > > As for how and if the IA comes into play, that's unclear. > > Job -- agreed, this shouldn't be held up. > > Julia -- thank you for offering to help. Yes, if you could email HPH noting the > requests above, that would be great. > > Two steps forward, one step back...but still forward all the same and we > learn as we go. Better for everyone. > > > > a On 04/10/2019 13:47, Mirjam Kuehne wrote: > > Hi, > > > > As Daniel already indicated: we (the community) might need a more formal > > process for agreeing on procedures and documents that are not policy. > > Rob calls them "parallel activity" below. Hans Petter referred to them > > as "Community Governance" at some point. > > > > So no, I don't think anyone is expecting to apply the full PDP to the > > code of conduct, but since we don't have another clear process right > > now, maybe we can borrow some aspects from the PDP for now (such as > the > > impact analysis). > > > > I am not sure we really need to ask Hans Petter to ask the RIPE NCC to > > do an impact analysis. I think the task force can do that directly. But > > maybe I misunderstood and all the task force wants to get is clarity > > about the process from Hans Petter - which is probably something we'll > > have to develop as a community, but I assume Hans Petter has some ideas > > about it. > > > > Cheers, > > Mirjam > > > > > > On 04/10/2019 11:19, Rob Evans wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >>> What do other people think? > >> I’m not really surprised. Other non-policy documents have gone through > the largely the same procedure. I suppose a heads-up would have been > useful, but this could just be a mismatch of expectations — those in the NCC > expect us to be using the PDP, we thought this was a parallel activity. > >> > >> When the only hammer you have is the PDP, every document looks like a > policy. :-) > >> > >> I suspect getting consensus on v3 and getting the IA on that is the most > likely way forward, in my limited understanding anyway. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Rob > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> diversity mailing list > >> diversity at ripe.net > >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/diversity > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > diversity mailing list > > diversity at ripe.net > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/diversity >
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