Re: test message
- Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 07:25:00 +0100
- Organization: The Viking Warship Class
On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:27:06 +0000, Steve Linford linford@localhost
> From Rudi van Houten, received 13/11/01, 7:20 pm +0100 (GMT):
> > Since september 2001 I don't receive any messages on this list. Seems
> > inprobable that the list is so quiet considering what's going on in
> > the Eurpean Cmmittee. So this is only a test if I can receive from
> > this list (or send to it).
> Well, you're right, what's going on is pretty grim. I had a long
> conversation with the Italian MEP pushing the opt-out legislation
> forward, Marco Cappato, and he explained to me that all users could
> avoid spam simply by looking at the message Subject before
> downloading it. I told him the Subject field wasn't part of the SMTP
> protocol so the spam had to be received before seeing the Subject and
> he said that's not true because on his Hotmail account he can see the
> Subject without downloading the message... He said all ISPs must
> provide the same system Hotmail has. (including that ISPs must filter
> spam into a separate folder like Hotmail does)
Great. That, by the way, explains a *lot* about what he's been saying. I
take it he doesn't have to pay for connect time... And just how does one
"download" from Hotmail? Most Hotmail users read their mail in their
browsers while on-line. Can be a rather expensive pastime on a metered
Interesting enough, he said in the debate that address scraping was
"already illegal today". Atro Tossavainen of Finland has been hearing
different from the UK Information Commissioner, however.
> I also spoke (by email) to the British MEP responsible for pushing
> the UK side of the opt-out legislation - Michael Cashman MEP. He said
> that because so much spam was coming into the UK from the US, spam
> must be allowed in the UK or else our spammers would be at a
> commercial disadvantage...
Cashman is *terminally* clueless. In addition to the commercial advantages
of American and Far East spam (which most of us can't even **** read even
if we wanted to), there is something about the disadvantages of opting in
to lists deemed "subversive" -- I'm guessing he's banking on suspect
material being spammed to all and sundry and only those who are interested
actually opening it...
See http://www.euro.cauce.org/en/vote_result1.html#A42 for a record of how
MEPs voted the last time. I'll be updating the pages when the minutes are
available and I have some time.