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Re: Children of ORBS

  • From: Mark Ferguson < >
  • Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 06:22:21 -0700
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furio ercolessi wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 01:24:37PM +0200, Jesus Sanz de las Heras. CSIC/RedIRIS wrote:
> >
> > I'm surprised with ORBZ and its new concept of multi-stage relay. Is a
> > good iniciative but for now I'm scared  to use it.
> Isn't it the same concept that ORBS implemented?
> It is hardly a new concept.  Incidentally, multistage open relays
> are also handled by MAPS: they go into RBL.
> >   What do you think about  these new black lists?  Some of you are using
> > them ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Note that ORBL corresponds to an "output" zone, while ORDB
> corresponds to an "input" zone.  So ORBL is more aggressive
> than ORDB in terms of policy; however ORDB is more aggressive
> in the search for open relays, and in fact is now well over
> 100,000.

I tried to engage Paul, ORBL, in discussion about why ORBS was not as
good as tool for stopping spam as it could have been.  I haven't heard
from Paul in some time but I hope our discussion regarding keeping your
personal conflicts out of a tool you are using providing others is
paramount if you want this tool to be useful for them.

The other, "kidlets", of ORBS I have no experience with the owners.  I
think it would be useful if the others were looked at closely for
comparison.  Blacklist because you don't like somebody is not really a
good thing IMHO.

I find the translation into multiple languages, something I suggested to
MAPS a long time ago, great!!  Here in the US we sometimes forget that
not everybody speaks, reads, writes English and if we wish to have a
meaningful dialog we should accommodate everybody.

ORDB deserves a very close look.

> I do not have direct experience with any of them. We are
> MAPS subscribers and stick with them, but the real primary reason
> for staying with RSS/RBL for open relay blocking is the requirement
> of actual spam samples by MAPS.  They are very useful to us, when
> explaining the reason for a block to a non-technical person (a
> customer of us, or his/her correspondant using the open relay).
> Still, using RSS takes significant human resources to an ISP
> and we do a lot of whitelisting on a systematic basis
> in order to be able to continue with it.
> furio ercolessi
> Spin

Regards Mark

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