[anti-abuse-wg] RIPE NCC Anti-Abuse Training: Next Steps & WG Input!

On 23/02/2022 20:39, Gert Doering wrote:

This takes me back 50+ years to US Supreme Court Justice Stewart's 
definition of obscenity:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it

Regards,
Hank


> Hi,
> 
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 07:20:48PM +0100, Tobias Knecht via anti-abuse-wg wrote:
>> I disagree with the idea of defining what abuse is for 3 reasons.
> 
> I do understand your arguments, but I'm not agreeing with the conclusion.
> 
> If we can't agree on "this is abuse" and "that is not", how can we ever
> agree on "we should do something against abuse!"?
> 
> More extreme wording: why would I, as an ISP, need an abuse handling
> department if I can just declare "ah, no, this is all normal customer
> activity" instead?
> 
> So, yes, defining abuse is very hard - but if we ever want to reach
> a good level of common abuse squashing, we should find a common
> understanding.  Like "using other people's resources (bandwidth,
> money, time) without at least implicit permission, for personal gain".
> 
> (I, for one, consider half the web sites out there abusive, with
> cookie banners, insanely big graphics, and weird scrolling stuff - but
> I guess most web developers would not agree to that)
> 
> Gert Doering
>          -- NetMaster
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