[anti-abuse-wg] 2019-03 New Policy Proposal (BGP Hijacking is a RIPE Policy Violation)
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Carlos Friaças
cfriacas at fccn.pt
Thu Mar 21 00:04:53 CET 2019
Hi, please see inline, On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, Sascha Luck [ml] wrote: > On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 02:26:28PM -0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > >> countinue to make, the exact same mistake that Mr. Luck has made here, >> i.e. failing to note the clear distinction between things that are >> "political" and things that are abjectly and abundantly criminal, > > I don't think that word means what you think it does. "criminal" > has a very precise legal meaning. If you think that advertisement > of numbers is a criminal act, please provide jurisdiction, act > and article under which it is. Three words: "dutch", "court", "order" -- that's jurisdiction over RIPE NCC. (...) > You must have read a different verion of this proposal than what > I have read. The proposal calls for a "finding" to be made and a > report submitted. Any consequences are not even within the > mandate of RIPE policy. And ratified (you may have missed that bit!) I also don't see any immediate or automatic consequence(s). However, if the policy was indeed violated, then the door is open for subsequent action(s) -- which can take its due time as already established. This proposal doesn't even try to touch that, and i hope this is completely clear by now. >> I would just like it noted, for the record, that RIPE is actually not a >> "monopoly provider", and that the four other RIRs might reasonably take >> umbrage at the very suggestion. > > And, like so often, you are wrong here too. Allow me to disagree (again). > Each RIR is a monopoly provider for its own service region. Some RIRs > even mandate that the resources they allocate and assign must not be > used outside their service region. Have you heard about legacy resources? Do you know they can be subject to transfers? Additionally, please note you wrote "Some RIRs", not "All RIRs" :-) Question: if that mandate is not comploed, is it enough for the NCC to terminate the SSA? Regards, Carlos > rgds, > Sascha Luck >
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