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Brian Nisbet
brian.nisbet at heanet.ie
Tue Apr 9 18:23:20 CEST 2019
Newcomers are welcome. It's that simple. If newcomers do not feel welcome then it is up to the Co-Chairs and all members of the WG to improve that. I know that saying something doesn't automatically make it so, and I know how intimidating some mail threads can be, but remember to make everyone welcome and to treat their words with good intent. It's on all of us. Thanks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AAWG Brian Nisbet Service Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nisbet at heanet.ie www.heanet.ie Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270 > -----Original Message----- > From: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of > Carlos Friaças via anti-abuse-wg > Sent: Friday 5 April 2019 08:28 > To: Sascha Luck [ml] <aawg at c4inet.net> > Cc: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] On +1s and Policy Awareness AND Astro... > something... > > > Hi, Sascha, All, > > Seriously? Newcomers welcomed? > > It's just a matter of going back and re-read parts of the thread and some sub- > threads... > > Regards, > Carlos > > > On Thu, 4 Apr 2019, Sascha Luck [ml] wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 04:52:32PM +0100, CSIRT.UMINHO Marco Teixeira > wrote: > >> While I speak for myself, I might incur the risk of representing a > >> lot of the so-called "Astroturfers?!". While some accuse (please > >> don't take it personally, it's just clarification) the newcomers of > >> being voiceless, I must say that I have been, with great effort, > >> refraining from going into a long discourse on a list where I am new. > >> That should not be understood as a sign of "spamming" a vetting > >> process, but as a sign of respect for all of you, long-standing > >> members of RIPE, guardians of our IP addresses, one of the building > >> blocks of the Internet :-) > > > > I know of forums where "the n00b" is expected to shut up and listen, > > but this is not one of them. At least I have never noticed that > > newcomers weren't welcomed - and as I stated before, I personally > > would like to see more and different voices here - and no, not just > > those who agree with me although I hope some will... > > > > So don't be afraid to speak up if you've something to say! > > > >> As one last thought, again IMHO, I believe BGP Hijacking is one of > >> the most pressing issues, menacing the Internet resiliency, and it > >> must be dealt with. In the same manner, we apply AUP's to our users, > >> it's RIPE responsibility, to clearly state, it is not acceptable, and > >> it will have consequences... Raising the risk for companies is the > >> only way we tip the balance of "Loss vs Earning", and hopefully > >> eradicate bad actors, or hopefully even stopping them right at their > business plans. > > > > 1) The RIPE NCC is not the provider of "AUP" for the entire Internet > > or even the Internet of the Service Region. I understand that some > > would *like* it to be, but that is not what the members are paying it > > for. 2) If anyone needs to be "eradicated", I'd prefer that to be > > determined by a judge and, preferably, a jury. NOT some neighbourhood > > watch curtain-twitcher with the help of a monopoly service provider. > >> This is why I support "2019-03 New Policy Proposal (BGP Hijacking is > >> a RIPE Policy Violation)" > > > > and this is why I oppose it :) > > > > rgds, > > SL > >
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