[anti-abuse-wg] On +1s and Policy Awareness AND Astro... something...
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Carlos Friaças
cfriacas at fccn.pt
Fri Apr 5 09:28:06 CEST 2019
Hi, Sascha, All, Seriously? Newcomers welcomed? It's just a matter of going back and re-read parts of the thread and some sub-threads... Regards, Carlos On Thu, 4 Apr 2019, Sascha Luck [ml] wrote: > On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 04:52:32PM +0100, CSIRT.UMINHO Marco Teixeira wrote: >> While I speak for myself, I might incur the risk of representing a lot of >> the so-called "Astroturfers?!". While some accuse (please don't take it >> personally, it's just clarification) the newcomers of being voiceless, I >> must say that I have been, with great effort, refraining from going into a >> long discourse on a list where I am new. That should not be understood as a >> sign of "spamming" a vetting process, but as a sign of respect for all of >> you, long-standing members of RIPE, guardians of our IP addresses, one of >> the building blocks of the Internet :-) > > I know of forums where "the n00b" is expected to shut up and > listen, but this is not one of them. At least I have never > noticed that newcomers weren't welcomed - and as I stated before, > I personally would like to see more and different voices here - > and no, not just those who agree with me although I hope some > will... > > So don't be afraid to speak up if you've something to say! > >> As one last thought, again IMHO, I believe BGP Hijacking is one of the most >> pressing issues, menacing the Internet resiliency, and it must be dealt >> with. In the same manner, we apply AUP's to our users, it's RIPE >> responsibility, to clearly state, it is not acceptable, and it will have >> consequences... Raising the risk for companies is the only way we tip the >> balance of "Loss vs Earning", and hopefully eradicate bad actors, or >> hopefully even stopping them right at their business plans. > > 1) The RIPE NCC is not the provider of "AUP" for the entire > Internet or even the Internet of the Service Region. I understand > that some would *like* it to be, but that is not what the members > are paying it for. 2) If anyone needs to be "eradicated", I'd prefer that to > be > determined by a judge and, preferably, a jury. NOT some > neighbourhood watch curtain-twitcher with the help of a monopoly > service provider. >> This is why I support "2019-03 New Policy Proposal (BGP Hijacking is a RIPE >> Policy Violation)" > > and this is why I oppose it :) > > rgds, > SL >
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