[anti-abuse-wg] Astroturfing?

There are very few people who actively track BGP hijacks, the world over - even among the larger community of network security folks.

More than one of those individuals is on this mailing list and has spoken up during the discussion.

Identifying experts to detect and attest to cases of hijacking will be the least of RIPE NCC's problems.

On 03/04/19, 7:50 PM, "anti-abuse-wg on behalf of Pavel Vraštiak" <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net on behalf of vrastiak at itself.cz> wrote:

    I, for instance, subscribed to this list to express my support for the
    proposal. After reviewing the comments I can say that the only thing
    that we can (hopefully) agree on is that BGP hijacks are generally bad
    and we would prefer technical solution instead of policy.
    
    I think that the idea of this proposal is good and I also think that it
    could make some small difference (in a good way). The questionable part
    is the process of choosing experts and impact on the RIPE NCC budget.
    Looking forward to v2.0.
    
    -- 
    
    Pavel
    
    On 03. 04. 19 15:21, Sascha Luck [ml] wrote:
    > On Wed, Apr 03, 2019 at 12:52:45PM +0100, Carlos Friaas via
    > anti-abuse-wg wrote:
    >> Just like a few days ago i wrote that i hoped there wasn't any kind of
    >> discrimination against portuguese participants, i hope there isn't
    >> also any kind of discrimination against new participants on this WG.
    > 
    > Please provide evidence for your insinuation that anyone here
    > discriminates against Portuguese (or any other nationality for
    > that matter.) I can't but regard such an insinuation as a cheap
    > rhetorical trick.
    > 
    >> I may understand if some people prefer to have less people in the WG,
    >> but i'm not part of that set.
    >> While worrying about how we can improve rules/tools against Abuse
    >> (that's the point of an Anti-Abuse WG, right?), i would also like to
    >> see a much larger number of people involved!
    > 
    > I've long argued that all policy should only be discussed in
    > ap-wg as I don't think this limited an audience should make
    > policy with far-reaching consequences. Alas, everyone wants to
    > rule in Hell rather than serve in Heaven.
    > 
    >> If someone has any doubt about if newcomers are real persons, then
    >> please Google away. :-)
    > 
    > Well, that gives me:
    > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_(Internet)#Meatpuppet
    > 
    > So the term "Astroturfing" is technically incorrect as that
    > implies fictitious entities with some commercial interest behind
    > it.
    > Nobody has said that and new participants are always welcome, the
    > more know about this the better.
    > However: If someone shows up here only to add a "+1" to a
    > proposal and is then never heard from again, I don't think their
    > support should carry much weight. I trust the chairs to consider
    > this, of course.
    > 
    > 
    > rgds,
    > SL
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> On Wed, 3 Apr 2019, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
    >>
    >>> All
    >>>
    >>> Is someone encouraging astroturfing?
    >>>
    >>> The number of either new or inactive members of this list who have
    >>> posted one line messages in support of the recent policy discussion
    >>> has reached insane levels
    >>>
    >>> Regards
    >>>
    >>> Michele
    >>>
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    > 
    >