[anti-abuse-wg] Astroturfing?

I, for instance, subscribed to this list to express my support for the
proposal. After reviewing the comments I can say that the only thing
that we can (hopefully) agree on is that BGP hijacks are generally bad
and we would prefer technical solution instead of policy.

I think that the idea of this proposal is good and I also think that it
could make some small difference (in a good way). The questionable part
is the process of choosing experts and impact on the RIPE NCC budget.
Looking forward to v2.0.

-- 

Pavel

On 03. 04. 19 15:21, Sascha Luck [ml] wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 03, 2019 at 12:52:45PM +0100, Carlos Friaas via
> anti-abuse-wg wrote:
>> Just like a few days ago i wrote that i hoped there wasn't any kind of
>> discrimination against portuguese participants, i hope there isn't
>> also any kind of discrimination against new participants on this WG.
> 
> Please provide evidence for your insinuation that anyone here
> discriminates against Portuguese (or any other nationality for
> that matter.) I can't but regard such an insinuation as a cheap
> rhetorical trick.
> 
>> I may understand if some people prefer to have less people in the WG,
>> but i'm not part of that set.
>> While worrying about how we can improve rules/tools against Abuse
>> (that's the point of an Anti-Abuse WG, right?), i would also like to
>> see a much larger number of people involved!
> 
> I've long argued that all policy should only be discussed in
> ap-wg as I don't think this limited an audience should make
> policy with far-reaching consequences. Alas, everyone wants to
> rule in Hell rather than serve in Heaven.
> 
>> If someone has any doubt about if newcomers are real persons, then
>> please Google away. :-)
> 
> Well, that gives me:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_(Internet)#Meatpuppet
> 
> So the term "Astroturfing" is technically incorrect as that
> implies fictitious entities with some commercial interest behind
> it.
> Nobody has said that and new participants are always welcome, the
> more know about this the better.
> However: If someone shows up here only to add a "+1" to a
> proposal and is then never heard from again, I don't think their
> support should carry much weight. I trust the chairs to consider
> this, of course.
> 
> 
> rgds,
> SL
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 3 Apr 2019, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
>>
>>> All
>>>
>>> Is someone encouraging astroturfing?
>>>
>>> The number of either new or inactive members of this list who have
>>> posted one line messages in support of the recent policy discussion
>>> has reached insane levels
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Michele
>>>
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