[anti-abuse-wg] Astroturfing?
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Sascha Luck [ml]
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Wed Apr 3 16:17:31 CEST 2019
On Wed, Apr 03, 2019 at 02:47:27PM +0100, Carlos Friaas wrote: >Too easy (you might have missed this one...): > >Dear group members from Portugal stated your support for 2019-03, >Can you please provide some more arguments than your humble "+1" >statement? This is a working group, not a voting. While it may have been better to address all the "+1" crowd, I'm not sure this constitutes *discrimination*. >The message was directed to a "group members from Portugal". >Members from IE, IL, US, CZ and so on that made brief statements of >support were left out of this request. >I can't understand why. That may have just been because those have been seen here before. That said, I agree with the general statement. Rather than "+1" every supporter should provide *some* evidence that they've at least *read* the proposal. For the avoidance of doubt, this means *every* supporter, regardless of nationality or length of subscription. >(...) >>I've long argued that all policy should only be discussed in >>ap-wg as I don't think this limited an audience should make >>policy with far-reaching consequences. Alas, everyone wants to >>rule in Hell rather than serve in Heaven. > >What you argue is _not_ "current rules" or the PDP. It used to be until the charter was changed. I didn't agree with that then, I don't agree with it now. For exactly the reasons that are now becoming evident. >>Well, that gives me: >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_(Internet)#Meatpuppet >> >>So the term "Astroturfing" is technically incorrect as that >>implies fictitious entities with some commercial interest behind >>it. > >So you're now going further than attacking one nationality, aiming at >all those who expressed support for 2019-03? (i.e. disagreeing with >your view). Not all. Only those who suddenly turn up, "+1" and then disappear again, as they undoubtedly will (or perhaps until *your* next proposal comes up?) >I'm not going reply with a different Wikipedia URL, but i suspect you >know which one i'm thinking about :-)) No, I don't have a clue. Enlighten me? >>Nobody has said that and new participants are always welcome, the >>more know about this the better. > >It's not only about "knowing" it's also being able to support or >oppose any proposal (present or future). For me the keyword is >"participation". That was implied. My contention is (and I've been expressing that many times before) that this wg is not representative of the RIPE community but to only a small element of it namely "anti-abuse warriors". Thus I would very much welcome increased participation in this wg because whatever gets cooked up here affects ALL OF US. What I do not welcome is "support" that takes the form of subscribing here, plonking down "+1" and then vanishing into obscurity again. Which is (at least the Wikipedia) definition of a meat-puppet. >You might be rushing to judgements. >You might draw that conclusion if there is more to discuss on the >table 6 months or 1 year from now, and people stay silent or if they >left the mailing list -- which is something noone can evaluate on such >a short notice. Easy. judge the worth of support at least in part on previous contributions, and I fervently hope this is what the chairs are doing. If not, I would like the opportunity to rise a hundred opponents to each provide a "-1"... rgds, SL >>> >>> >>> >>>On Wed, 3 Apr 2019, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: >>> >>>>All >>>> >>>>Is someone encouraging astroturfing? >>>> >>>>The number of either new or inactive members of this list who >>>>have posted one line messages in support of the recent policy >>>>discussion has reached insane levels >>>> >>>>Regards >>>> >>>>Michele??? >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Mr Michele Neylon >>>>Blacknight Solutions >>>>Hosting, Colocation & Domains >>>>https://www.blacknight.com/ >>>>https://blacknight.blog/ >>>>Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 >>>>Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 >>>>Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ >>>>Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ >>>>------------------------------- >>>>Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business >>>>Park,Sleaty >>>>Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 >>>> >>>> >>
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