[anti-abuse-wg] Astroturfing?
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Carlos Friaças
cfriacas at fccn.pt
Wed Apr 3 15:47:27 CEST 2019
Hi, On Wed, 3 Apr 2019, Sascha Luck [ml] wrote: > Please provide evidence for your insinuation that anyone here > discriminates against Portuguese (or any other nationality for > that matter.) I can't but regard such an insinuation as a cheap > rhetorical trick. Too easy (you might have missed this one...): ======== Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 22:00:32 From: Sergey Myasoedov via anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net> Reply-To: Sergey Myasoedov <sergey at devnull.ru> To: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Proposal 2019-03 BGP Hijacking Dear group members from Portugal stated your support for 2019-03, Can you please provide some more arguments than your humble "+1" statement? This is a working group, not a voting. Please. ======== The message was directed to a "group members from Portugal". Members from IE, IL, US, CZ and so on that made brief statements of support were left out of this request. I can't understand why. (...) > I've long argued that all policy should only be discussed in > ap-wg as I don't think this limited an audience should make > policy with far-reaching consequences. Alas, everyone wants to > rule in Hell rather than serve in Heaven. What you argue is _not_ "current rules" or the PDP. Anyone who wants to participate in discussing 2019-03 only has to subscribe to this mailing list. >> If someone has any doubt about if newcomers are real persons, then please >> Google away. :-) > > Well, that gives me: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_(Internet)#Meatpuppet > > So the term "Astroturfing" is technically incorrect as that > implies fictitious entities with some commercial interest behind > it. So you're now going further than attacking one nationality, aiming at all those who expressed support for 2019-03? (i.e. disagreeing with your view). I'm not going reply with a different Wikipedia URL, but i suspect you know which one i'm thinking about :-)) (Alireza, Brian, Tobias, please feel free to comment on the above URL) > Nobody has said that and new participants are always welcome, the > more know about this the better. It's not only about "knowing" it's also being able to support or oppose any proposal (present or future). For me the keyword is "participation". > However: If someone shows up here only to add a "+1" to a > proposal and is then never heard from again, I don't think their > support should carry much weight. I trust the chairs to consider > this, of course. You might be rushing to judgements. You might draw that conclusion if there is more to discuss on the table 6 months or 1 year from now, and people stay silent or if they left the mailing list -- which is something noone can evaluate on such a short notice. Regards, Carlos > rgds, > SL >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 3 Apr 2019, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: >> >>> All >>> >>> Is someone encouraging astroturfing? >>> >>> The number of either new or inactive members of this list who have posted >>> one line messages in support of the recent policy discussion has reached >>> insane levels >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Michele??? >>> >>> -- >>> Mr Michele Neylon >>> Blacknight Solutions >>> Hosting, Colocation & Domains >>> https://www.blacknight.com/ >>> https://blacknight.blog/ >>> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 >>> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 >>> Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ >>> Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business >>> Park,Sleaty >>> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 >>> >>> >
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