[anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: RBL policy
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HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker
svenk at xs4all.nl
Mon Jan 30 14:12:22 CET 2017
also may we remind steve linford that as he pretends to be a 'company' (just one without a trade register entry and office in switserland), sending him unsollicited mail with any random content, would be -perfectly- legal in pretty much all of the eu memberstates... if he doesn't like that FACT, he should go into politics, not into blackmailing. lol. On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:09, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote: > > one would almost go and set up a few 1000 smtp servers, all sending > steve linford viagra offers, just to annoy the guy back. operational > costs would go through the roof tho lol. > > > On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:04, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote: >> >> btw. this is europe. not america. we can say fuck however many times >> we want over here. tyvm. and in the case of spamhaus, it's fully >> applicable. spamhaus IS a cancer. that was using this mailinglist >> just a few hours ago to try to further the reach of their cancerous >> censorship tool disguised as a 'spam fighter' >> >> >> On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:03, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote: >>> >>> if the fully appropriate language used is the only thing you can >>> think of as an argument, that shows it's completely right. lol. >>> you're free to google 'cb3rob' and see what steve linford told the >>> 'world press' about our operations in the past. so far for >>> inappropriate language. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:58, Tobias Knecht wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> @Sven Olaf: >>>> Please stop using this type of offensive language! >>>> This is a public mailinglist and not a place for you to rant and >>>> attack in the way you are at the moment. >>>> >>>> So step back for a minute, take a deep breath and calm down! >>>> >>>> And if you feel you can send a message without using this type of >>>> language, feel free to do so, otherwise stay away! >>>> >>>> If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to me directly. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Tobias >>>> >>>> -- >>>> RIPE Anti Abuse Working Group Co-Chair >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:46 PM, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von >>>> CyberBunker <svenk at xs4all.nl <mailto:svenk at xs4all.nl>> wrote: >>>> >>>> btw it would be of great assistance in this matter if transit >>>> carriers, simply, only HAD asn's and no ip prefixes that can be >>>> used as a blackmailing vector. don't quite see why everyone >>>> combines the 'isp' part with the 'transit providing' part of >>>> their operations. parties that provide transit, have no need >>>> for ip space (bgp sessions are better on 10.0.0.0/8 >>>> <http://10.0.0.0/8> anyway, prevents attack from 'outside'). if >>>> there are no ip's there is nothing idiots like spamhaus (so far >>>> they are the only ones) can 'blacklist' to 'build up pressure' >>>> to breach contracts. so just split up those operations. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:32, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> customer wants to send packets from ip A to ip b... did they >>>>> arrive? -> yes. we did our job. no -> we did not do our job. i >>>>> can't quite see why we would even need to know what 'smtp' is. >>>>> nor any of the other obscure shit protocols out there. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:30, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> content. is NEVER. network-related-abuse. >>>>>> >>>>>> 'making more use of a mail protocol that in every other way >>>>>> is used as intended' is also not 'network-related-abuse' in >>>>>> fact it's not abuse at all. it's like tv advertisements. >>>>>> >>>>>> 'malware and virusses' all simply exploit the same old >>>>>> services 'provided' by crappy windows malware, which should >>>>>> get some import restrictions, and the problem is solved ay. >>>>>> it's windows itself that is the malware there... >>>>>> >>>>>> 'phishing'... so you're saying your bank login procedure >>>>>> sucks balls and/or you think 16 numbers on the front and 3 >>>>>> top secret ones on the back of a plastic card people show in >>>>>> every restaurant they go to are 'security' - go fix your own >>>>>> crap and stop bothering us, we forward -packets-. we don't >>>>>> have time to hunt ghosts for your broken financial services. >>>>>> >>>>>> 'announcing the whole god damn internet split up into /24s'.. >>>>>> - yes .. that's 'abuse'. lol. >>>>>> >>>>>> and either way... if someone doesn't like what someone else >>>>>> is doing they can take them to the -appropriate- courts (of >>>>>> the other party) and try to get them to stop... blackmailing >>>>>> the sales department of the transit carriers of their >>>>>> supplier of their supplier of their supplier, will only make >>>>>> them change isps, cause financial loss (or gains: setup >>>>>> fees), etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> so far all spamhaus has ever established is: >>>>>> >>>>>> - a whole lot of unroutable/unsellable/unusable ipv4 'burned' >>>>>> ranges. >>>>>> >>>>>> - smtp is no longer peer to peer (their bashing on open relays) >>>>>> >>>>>> - smtp is no longer real time (graylisting) >>>>>> >>>>>> - smtp is no longer reliable (with over 20 million ip >>>>>> addresses listed despite there only being 300k mailservers in >>>>>> the world, no wonder!) >>>>>> >>>>>> so instead of stopping spam, they managed to kill of smtp. >>>>>> congratulations. >>>>>> >>>>>> everyone now uses skype and facebook (which are real-time and >>>>>> do have friends-lists) lolol. you have succeeded in bringing >>>>>> microsoft and facebook users to spy on. well done. >>>>>> >>>>>> if smtp is 'getting less' that is only because it has no >>>>>> users left. people only start it up to read ripe mailinglists >>>>>> (lol) or sign up for habbo hotel. FACT. lol. >>>>>> >>>>>> none of our customers has ever sent UCE from our networks... >>>>>> because... ever since 2004... we have simply blocked port >>>>>> 25... smtp only causes -shit- and it -delivers shit- >>>>>> (abusemail and 'legal' threats about shit that is not our >>>>>> problem). we sure as hell have some customers that cause >>>>>> 'shit' but they usually do it in somewhat more profitable >>>>>> markets than sending 'spam' and most definately can buy a tv >>>>>> station or 2 to do their advertisements on. tyvm spamhaus. lol. >>>>>> >>>>>> where this 'mytical' spammer that can pay our 1000-1500 euros >>>>>> per month per server would come from, i don't know, i >>>>>> certainly have never met any... i tried to invoice one 60k >>>>>> once and he backed off already. poor spammers. they're like >>>>>> child porn people. can't pay for anything, so not an urgent >>>>>> issue at all. >>>>>> >>>>>> our customers frequently have the entire fucking cia rolling >>>>>> over their doorstep and if it's not them its the god damn >>>>>> copyright mafia. slightly different budgetarial picture >>>>>> there. shit that -is- worth the trouble. >>>>>> >>>>>> now, please take your shitty nagging about 'abuse' of your >>>>>> crappy silly old smtp protocol, which doesn't even >>>>>> -originate- from our networks in the first fucking place, and >>>>>> stick it where the sun doesn't shine... as for malware... >>>>>> windows is the malware there... it facilitates all the >>>>>> programs residing on top of the same old 1990s badly >>>>>> implemented os/2 ripoff crap. so basically call mickeysoft >>>>>> and ask them to fix the bugs they all exploit, or call the >>>>>> european commission and impose trade bans against microsoft. >>>>>> simple enough. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:13, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> advertising the sale of : viagra, sex slaves, ak47s, porn of >>>>>>> any kind, human trafficing services, specific animals, >>>>>>> cocain, data obtained through espionage, encryption >>>>>>> technology, vpns, gay propaganda, military propaganda, etc >>>>>>> is subject to applicable local law (if any, and if there is >>>>>>> none, it's perfectly fine)... not 'spamhaus policies' as >>>>>>> spamhaus is not supposed to be 'the internet government'. >>>>>>> even if they think they should be. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> if the uk wants to keep certain products from entering >>>>>>> 'their' territory (and in doing so limit the freedom of >>>>>>> their own stakeholders/tax payers) that is up to them others >>>>>>> choose not to work against their own stakeholders/tax payers >>>>>>> that way. they have a customs department to keep said >>>>>>> products outside. can't tell others not to produce or sell >>>>>>> or advertise it. setting up dirty front operations like >>>>>>> 'spamhaus' to lure naive nerds into the illusion that they >>>>>>> would be 'fighting spam' is a very nasty thing to do. >>>>>>> geo-political wise and business wise. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> now... in thailand porn is illegal... so... let's disconnect >>>>>>> all porn sites because thailand wants us to, oh but wait, >>>>>>> thailand doesn't have a 'spamhaus' thinking they rule the >>>>>>> entire internet through means of blackmail and calling >>>>>>> people 'spammers' or 'spam supporters'. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> what also works, besides blackmailing with committing >>>>>>> computer sabotage against the sales department of suppliers >>>>>>> of suppliers of suppliers of the publisher of a website, >>>>>>> are: assassins, commandos, carpet bombing, agent orange. >>>>>>> etc... all of which should be deployed against spamhaus if >>>>>>> you ask me. :P but a nullroute would suffice. lol. after all >>>>>>> bgp is an 'advisory' to 'voluntary peers' and 'we don't >>>>>>> block anything' as they themselves always say. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 30 ينا, 2017 ص 11:29, Esa Laitinen wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:19 PM HRH Prince Sven Olaf von >>>>>>>> CyberBunker <svenk at xs4all.nl <mailto:svenk at xs4all.nl>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> also it's quite vague that when some mossadis rent >>>>>>>> servers and run an espionage botnet on it (which we >>>>>>>> happily intercept ourselves ofcourse) - spamhaus >>>>>>>> somehow magically never lists -that-.. just >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Looking at the amusing rant of Sven Olaf, it seems that the >>>>>>>> listing works! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Keep up the good work, spamhaus et al! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> esa >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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