[anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: RBL policy
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HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker
svenk at xs4all.nl
Mon Jan 30 14:09:42 CET 2017
one would almost go and set up a few 1000 smtp servers, all sending steve linford viagra offers, just to annoy the guy back. operational costs would go through the roof tho lol. On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:04, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote: > > btw. this is europe. not america. we can say fuck however many times > we want over here. tyvm. and in the case of spamhaus, it's fully > applicable. spamhaus IS a cancer. that was using this mailinglist just > a few hours ago to try to further the reach of their cancerous > censorship tool disguised as a 'spam fighter' > > > On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:03, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote: >> >> if the fully appropriate language used is the only thing you can >> think of as an argument, that shows it's completely right. lol. >> you're free to google 'cb3rob' and see what steve linford told the >> 'world press' about our operations in the past. so far for >> inappropriate language. >> >> >> >> On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:58, Tobias Knecht wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> @Sven Olaf: >>> Please stop using this type of offensive language! >>> This is a public mailinglist and not a place for you to rant and >>> attack in the way you are at the moment. >>> >>> So step back for a minute, take a deep breath and calm down! >>> >>> And if you feel you can send a message without using this type of >>> language, feel free to do so, otherwise stay away! >>> >>> If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to me directly. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Tobias >>> >>> -- >>> RIPE Anti Abuse Working Group Co-Chair >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:46 PM, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von >>> CyberBunker <svenk at xs4all.nl <mailto:svenk at xs4all.nl>> wrote: >>> >>> btw it would be of great assistance in this matter if transit >>> carriers, simply, only HAD asn's and no ip prefixes that can be >>> used as a blackmailing vector. don't quite see why everyone >>> combines the 'isp' part with the 'transit providing' part of >>> their operations. parties that provide transit, have no need for >>> ip space (bgp sessions are better on 10.0.0.0/8 >>> <http://10.0.0.0/8> anyway, prevents attack from 'outside'). if >>> there are no ip's there is nothing idiots like spamhaus (so far >>> they are the only ones) can 'blacklist' to 'build up pressure' >>> to breach contracts. so just split up those operations. >>> >>> >>> On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:32, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote: >>>> >>>> customer wants to send packets from ip A to ip b... did they >>>> arrive? -> yes. we did our job. no -> we did not do our job. i >>>> can't quite see why we would even need to know what 'smtp' is. >>>> nor any of the other obscure shit protocols out there. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:30, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> content. is NEVER. network-related-abuse. >>>>> >>>>> 'making more use of a mail protocol that in every other way is >>>>> used as intended' is also not 'network-related-abuse' in fact >>>>> it's not abuse at all. it's like tv advertisements. >>>>> >>>>> 'malware and virusses' all simply exploit the same old >>>>> services 'provided' by crappy windows malware, which should >>>>> get some import restrictions, and the problem is solved ay. >>>>> it's windows itself that is the malware there... >>>>> >>>>> 'phishing'... so you're saying your bank login procedure sucks >>>>> balls and/or you think 16 numbers on the front and 3 top >>>>> secret ones on the back of a plastic card people show in every >>>>> restaurant they go to are 'security' - go fix your own crap >>>>> and stop bothering us, we forward -packets-. we don't have >>>>> time to hunt ghosts for your broken financial services. >>>>> >>>>> 'announcing the whole god damn internet split up into /24s'.. >>>>> - yes .. that's 'abuse'. lol. >>>>> >>>>> and either way... if someone doesn't like what someone else is >>>>> doing they can take them to the -appropriate- courts (of the >>>>> other party) and try to get them to stop... blackmailing the >>>>> sales department of the transit carriers of their supplier of >>>>> their supplier of their supplier, will only make them change >>>>> isps, cause financial loss (or gains: setup fees), etc. >>>>> >>>>> so far all spamhaus has ever established is: >>>>> >>>>> - a whole lot of unroutable/unsellable/unusable ipv4 'burned' >>>>> ranges. >>>>> >>>>> - smtp is no longer peer to peer (their bashing on open relays) >>>>> >>>>> - smtp is no longer real time (graylisting) >>>>> >>>>> - smtp is no longer reliable (with over 20 million ip >>>>> addresses listed despite there only being 300k mailservers in >>>>> the world, no wonder!) >>>>> >>>>> so instead of stopping spam, they managed to kill of smtp. >>>>> congratulations. >>>>> >>>>> everyone now uses skype and facebook (which are real-time and >>>>> do have friends-lists) lolol. you have succeeded in bringing >>>>> microsoft and facebook users to spy on. well done. >>>>> >>>>> if smtp is 'getting less' that is only because it has no users >>>>> left. people only start it up to read ripe mailinglists (lol) >>>>> or sign up for habbo hotel. FACT. lol. >>>>> >>>>> none of our customers has ever sent UCE from our networks... >>>>> because... ever since 2004... we have simply blocked port >>>>> 25... smtp only causes -shit- and it -delivers shit- >>>>> (abusemail and 'legal' threats about shit that is not our >>>>> problem). we sure as hell have some customers that cause >>>>> 'shit' but they usually do it in somewhat more profitable >>>>> markets than sending 'spam' and most definately can buy a tv >>>>> station or 2 to do their advertisements on. tyvm spamhaus. lol. >>>>> >>>>> where this 'mytical' spammer that can pay our 1000-1500 euros >>>>> per month per server would come from, i don't know, i >>>>> certainly have never met any... i tried to invoice one 60k >>>>> once and he backed off already. poor spammers. they're like >>>>> child porn people. can't pay for anything, so not an urgent >>>>> issue at all. >>>>> >>>>> our customers frequently have the entire fucking cia rolling >>>>> over their doorstep and if it's not them its the god damn >>>>> copyright mafia. slightly different budgetarial picture there. >>>>> shit that -is- worth the trouble. >>>>> >>>>> now, please take your shitty nagging about 'abuse' of your >>>>> crappy silly old smtp protocol, which doesn't even -originate- >>>>> from our networks in the first fucking place, and stick it >>>>> where the sun doesn't shine... as for malware... windows is >>>>> the malware there... it facilitates all the programs residing >>>>> on top of the same old 1990s badly implemented os/2 ripoff >>>>> crap. so basically call mickeysoft and ask them to fix the >>>>> bugs they all exploit, or call the european commission and >>>>> impose trade bans against microsoft. simple enough. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:13, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> advertising the sale of : viagra, sex slaves, ak47s, porn of >>>>>> any kind, human trafficing services, specific animals, >>>>>> cocain, data obtained through espionage, encryption >>>>>> technology, vpns, gay propaganda, military propaganda, etc is >>>>>> subject to applicable local law (if any, and if there is >>>>>> none, it's perfectly fine)... not 'spamhaus policies' as >>>>>> spamhaus is not supposed to be 'the internet government'. >>>>>> even if they think they should be. >>>>>> >>>>>> if the uk wants to keep certain products from entering >>>>>> 'their' territory (and in doing so limit the freedom of their >>>>>> own stakeholders/tax payers) that is up to them others choose >>>>>> not to work against their own stakeholders/tax payers that >>>>>> way. they have a customs department to keep said products >>>>>> outside. can't tell others not to produce or sell or >>>>>> advertise it. setting up dirty front operations like >>>>>> 'spamhaus' to lure naive nerds into the illusion that they >>>>>> would be 'fighting spam' is a very nasty thing to do. >>>>>> geo-political wise and business wise. >>>>>> >>>>>> now... in thailand porn is illegal... so... let's disconnect >>>>>> all porn sites because thailand wants us to, oh but wait, >>>>>> thailand doesn't have a 'spamhaus' thinking they rule the >>>>>> entire internet through means of blackmail and calling people >>>>>> 'spammers' or 'spam supporters'. >>>>>> >>>>>> what also works, besides blackmailing with committing >>>>>> computer sabotage against the sales department of suppliers >>>>>> of suppliers of suppliers of the publisher of a website, are: >>>>>> assassins, commandos, carpet bombing, agent orange. etc... >>>>>> all of which should be deployed against spamhaus if you ask >>>>>> me. :P but a nullroute would suffice. lol. after all bgp is >>>>>> an 'advisory' to 'voluntary peers' and 'we don't block >>>>>> anything' as they themselves always say. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 30 ينا, 2017 ص 11:29, Esa Laitinen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:19 PM HRH Prince Sven Olaf von >>>>>>> CyberBunker <svenk at xs4all.nl <mailto:svenk at xs4all.nl>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> also it's quite vague that when some mossadis rent >>>>>>> servers and run an espionage botnet on it (which we >>>>>>> happily intercept ourselves ofcourse) - spamhaus somehow >>>>>>> magically never lists -that-.. just >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Looking at the amusing rant of Sven Olaf, it seems that the >>>>>>> listing works! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Keep up the good work, spamhaus et al! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> esa >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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