[anti-abuse-wg] anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 63, Issue 3

Dear Andre, do not be so severe with my friend Olaf, the Prince of Spam. He is not 'behaving like a spammer', he is a spammer and does not hide it. 'Sending multiple emails, one after the other' is force of habit. :)

You can be condescending for two reasons: he is not a hypocrite and is being victimized for his activities. He is paying a high price and reacts with anger (sorry Olaf). But he is paying due his actions.

Worry about those who continue to act like greedy psychopaths under the umbrella of RIPE and their governments.

Marilson
Never so few done so much harm to so many.

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 07:10:55 +0200
From: ox <andre at ox.co.za>
To: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] RBL Discussion Update
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 14:34:34 +0000
HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <svenk at xs4all.nl> wrote:
<snip>
> 
> i don't see 'tv advertisements' as a problem, cuz i never watch tv.
> 
> i don't see 'spam' as a problem, cuz i (barely) never use smtp.
> 
For those that do use smtp, and to identify those isps that refuse to
stop abusing others, there needs to be a list.

and, if you are an isp, making money from pushing packets, you need to
be responsible for what packets you are puching, from child porn to
common spam.

for someone who do not care, you do rant and rave a lot though.

and yes, technology will improve so that horse carts are not on the
autobahn, but even when there are no horsecarts on the autobahn you
still cannot push child porn or other rubbish on the autobahn as the
autobahn has rules for all the cars traveling on it.

Andre



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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 07:45:24 +0200
From: ox <andre at ox.co.za>
To: "Jeffrey Race" <jrace at attglobal.net>
Cc: Jeffrey Race <jrace at post.harvard.edu>, "anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net"
<anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net>
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Language on List
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 09:34:50 -0500
"Jeffrey Race" <jrace at attglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> The universal rule of ladies and gentlemen is to avoid giving

I take very strong exception to this and on on this list. This type of
sexual stereotyping is not only archaic but is extremely offensive to
some people. 

Offensive comments has no place on an abuse workgroup and I demand
an unqualified apology from jrace at post.harvard.edu

Or, barring an apology, I would like  jrace at post.harvard.edu to
agree to self punish: Force yourself to watch two seasons of Bart
Simpson (i suggest season 6 and maybe 9...) 

For the rest of his post, the writer has lost touch with reality and
clearly has a higher regard for sensibilities than for
communication and the free (OPEN) exchange of ideas. 

"Helping someone out" does not mean helping them from the side of the
ditch into the actual ditch. It similarly does not mean that you should
publish your bias and be as offensive as others have been.

Then, your reply is pov (point of view - yours) your opinions are not facts...
 
For  example, someone else may have the opinion that: 
Expletives are useful, not only to display relationship and for
communicative use but are fun to use!

Offense is a choice and although I have understanding of your repressed
humanity, a one word response to your post could simply have been
"balls" 

And, speaking for myself, it is humorous when the boss farts by
accident in a very formal meeting.

What can I say, I am but a course obnoxious shitting and laughing
brute. And I laugh at the thought of me, a killer (I eat meat) and my
body processing that into energy (most of which is used by my brain) 
because the reality is so very freaky.

I believe the British called my culture "Boors" because we seem so
common, unsophisticated and, well "boorish" In truth we have so
much ubuntu, so much compassion but we do not like bullshit.

I hope that all helped you out (but probably not as Dinosaurs are as
dinosaurs do...)

Andre


> offense.  So one does not discuss or use references 
> (unless in a professional context e.g. doctor) to excretion or
> sexual behavior.   One avoids any negative references to
> other persons and to political or religious beliefs.
> 
> Those are good practices for this list.   So excluding crap
> and merde which are offensive words.
> 
> Re: "generalised swearing. It's a part of modern language" --
> that's a culture-specific interpretation.   Such behavior
> doesn't occur in most of the world and it never occurred
> when I was growing up in 1950s America; then
> I went abroad for 45 years and coming back to America
> smutty language is indeed widespread.  It's not 'modern':
> it's  a degenerate  phenomenon of certain cultures.  It's
> unknown in much of the world.  It's repugnant to refined
> sensibilities.   Behaving this way doesn't betoken one's
> "modernity" -- it betoken's one's personal coarseness.  
> 
> Jeffrey Race
> 
> 




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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 08:37:06 +0200
From: ox <andre at ox.co.za>
To: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 62, Issue 33
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 23:08:19 +0000
HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <svenk at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> smtp falls into the same catagory as telex, faxes, morse code, etc.
> 'has been methods of communications'. whereas telex and faxes and

do you think that if you say the same thing over and over and over, it
is going to make it true?

you have heard from other people (Marilson) as well: smtp is relevant, smtp is important
- and the entire reason you are ranting and raving and sending five emails after each 
other to an abuse work group is smtp

Then, you are abusing an abuse workgroup by sending multiple emails, one
after the other... 

You are behaving like a spammer - blasting out multiple emails, one
after the other, not waiting for someone to reply to your email,
instead firing of three to six extra emails right after each other.

What you are doing is not communication, you are simply pumping out the
same message over and over and over and you are not even bothering to

read replies to respond as you are responding to yourself, multiple
times.

So, when you reply to yourself, does it feel to you that your point is
clearer? 

I do not even read your emails anymore, and I recall some of them were
a useful and did contain good ideas, but it is too much effort
to read your replies to yourself and now it is simply repetitive. Like
your new thread, complaining about *drumroll* Spamhaus

I did not use Spamhaus, but after all your ranting and raving I may
actually start using them, they must be doing something worthwhile to
draw so much anger. In fact, let me try Spamhaus and give the wg my pov

as I do not have a pov about spamhaus atm and maybe the lesson to be
learned from HRH Prince Olaf, is to try Spamhaus for myself? Maybe buy
some of their commercial products?)

Andre





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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 12:47:09 +0200
From: ox <andre at ox.co.za>
To: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] RBL Discussion Update
Message-ID: <mailman.5.1485946802.31898.anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net>
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On Wed, 1 Feb 2017 10:23:07 +0000
HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <svenk at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> On 01 ???, 2017 ? 05:10, ox wrote:
> > For those that do use smtp, and to identify those isps that refuse
> > to stop abusing others, there needs to be a list.
> >
> that's all very cute... as long as that 'list of isps' would remain 
<snip snip>
> going 'spamhaus is now listing OUR networks, our sales department
> can't send mail to 1/3rd of the world and they demand we disconnect

luckily for you, smtp is dead and non important to you - so you can
Facebook your clients :)

Personally, I do not want emails from people (isps) who enable
kiddie porn, spam, phish or other rubbish - so I CHOOSE to use RBLs
that I trust and that I know are operated fairly and ethically.

If isps want to be paid for pushing packets they need to take
responsibility fro what they are pushing (CONTENT) - pushing child
pornography, slavery and a whole buch of evil is simply not acceptable.

It is not acceptable to say: I push traffic and I do not care what it
is or how it is destroying little kids or the lives of innocent people.

Andre




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