[address-policy-wg] Update on ALLOCATED PI/UNSPECIFIED

Patrick Velder пишет 04.08.2016 13:59:
> Hi
>
> PI (Provider Independent) should be "Provider Independent" - any space 
> which is assigned by a LIR is not really "provider independent".
> I think it's a good idea to change that.
>
> Regards
> Patrick
>
Thanks for explanation Patrick :)
Let's change 'status' from 'ASSIGNED PI', 'ASSIGNED PA' to 
'ASSIGNED-BY-LIR', 'ASSIGNED-BY-RIPE NCC' since this is the same.
'Aggregatable', 'Independent',  are very much obsoleted words only 
confusing people.


>
> On 04.08.2016 12:36, Larisa Yurkina wrote:
>> Patrick Velder пишет 04.08.2016 11:12:
>>
>> Hi
>>>
>>> Hello Ingrid
>>>
>>> That means, if a resource holder (ASSIGNED PI within ALLOCATED PI) 
>>> has an "Independent Assignment Request and Maintenance Agreement" 
>>> with the LIR, like end users which got their assignment direct from 
>>> RIPE NCC, this assignment will become an assignment which is managed 
>>> directly by RIPE NCC?
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>   My LIR have got ALLOCATED PI and ALLOCATED UNSPECIFIED blocks about 
>> 20 years ago, according to those days policy. Some part of address 
>> space was not aggregated and was used as "ASSIGNED PI within 
>> ALLOCATED PI", all of them have agreement with the LIR, which also 
>> was within the policy, at least not against. Why should we change 
>> anything here? Just because some LIRs lost their control over 50% of 
>> the address space allocated to them? Perhaps there are some other 
>> ways to restore it?
>>
>> With respect,
>> *Larisa Yurkina*
>> RosNIIROS
>> Internet Number Resources Group / Chief Manager
>> l.yurkina at ripn.net <mailto:l.yurkina at ripn.net> / www.ripn.net 
>> <http://www.ripn.net>
>> Т.: +7 495 737-0604
>>
>>> On 04.08.2016 09:39, Ingrid Wijte wrote:
>>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>>
>>>> During RIPE 72, the RIPE NCC was asked to suggest a way forward 
>>>> with regards to the unclear situation arising from address blocks 
>>>> in the RIPE Database with the status ALLOCATED PI or ALLOCATED 
>>>> UNSPECIFIED. We want to give you an update on this work and ask for 
>>>> your input.
>>>>
>>>> BACKGROUND
>>>>
>>>> Although PI assignments made by LIRs have the same status in the 
>>>> RIPE Database, it is not clear if resource holders with assignments 
>>>> from LIRs have the same rights as resource holders with those 
>>>> issued by the RIPE NCC. The community, mainly End Users, has asked 
>>>> the RIPE NCC to clarify the situation.
>>>>
>>>> In the early days of the RIPE NCC, a small number of LIRs received 
>>>> allocations with the status ALLOCATED PI or ALLOCATED UNSPECIFIED. 
>>>> From these address blocks, LIRs could assign ranges with the status 
>>>> ASSIGNED PI.
>>>> The RIPE community later decided that the RIPE NCC should be the 
>>>> only party assigning ranges with ASSIGNED PI to End Users. It was 
>>>> not clear what the status of the assignments that had already been 
>>>> made should be.
>>>>
>>>> ACTION TAKEN
>>>>
>>>> At RIPE 71, the Address Policy Working Group asked the RIPE NCC to 
>>>> check the actual assignment status with the holders of these 
>>>> allocations. We contacted all of the LIRs involved and around 50% 
>>>> said they had no contact with holders of assignments with the 
>>>> status ASSIGNED PI within their allocations. Several allocations 
>>>> containing only PA assignments were converted from ALLOCATED 
>>>> UNSPECIFIED to ALLOCATED PA following communication with LIRs.
>>>>
>>>> The RIPE NCC presented these results to the Address Policy Working 
>>>> Group at RIPE 72. The WG stressed that data accuracy must have the 
>>>> highest priority. It was further suggested that the RIPE NCC should 
>>>> follow up with the LIRs on a case-by-case basis, following the 
>>>> principles outlined below.
>>>>
>>>> The WG agreed that, where the LIR can document a mutual agreement 
>>>> that they administer the address space, a conversion from PI to PA 
>>>> should take place. In all other cases, assignments with the status 
>>>> ASSIGNED PI should be treated as being assigned by the RIPE NCC.
>>>>
>>>> It was also stated that LIRs should not register any new 
>>>> assignments with the status ASSIGNED PI, as policy no longer allows 
>>>> for new IPv4 PI assignments (with the exception of IXP PI 
>>>> assignments from our reserved address pool).
>>>>
>>>> APPROACH
>>>>
>>>> The RIPE NCC  will contact the 38 LIRs holding allocations that 
>>>> contain address blocks with the status ASSIGNED PI (3,600 inetnum 
>>>> objects in total).
>>>>
>>>> In the following months, these LIRs will check if their RIPE 
>>>> Database entries are still correct. Each LIR will check their 
>>>> records and with their customers to see under what conditions the 
>>>> assignments were originally provided.
>>>>
>>>> After the LIRs have finished their research, the RIPE NCC will:
>>>>
>>>> -    Convert assignments to ASSIGNED PA if it can be documented 
>>>> that the administrative responsibility lies with the LIR
>>>> -    Follow up directly with resource holders of ASSIGNED PI to 
>>>> apply the RIPE policy, “Contractual Requirements for Provider 
>>>> Independent Resource Holders in the RIPE NCC Service Region”. The 
>>>> PI assignments will become part of the address space managed by the 
>>>> RIPE NCC just like all other PI space. Once the resource holders 
>>>> have fulfilled the contractual requirements, they will have the 
>>>> same rights and obligations as any other End User of PI space.
>>>> -    Split the allocations to separate the PI assignments and 
>>>> convert the blocks that remain with an LIR to ALLOCATED PA.
>>>>
>>>> We suggest giving these LIRs until the end of January 2017 to 
>>>> clarify the status of the assignments within their ALLOCATED 
>>>> PI/UNSPECIFIED allocations.
>>>>
>>>> In situations where a dispute arises between the LIR and the 
>>>> assignment holder about the administrative responsibility, the RIPE 
>>>> NCC will do its best to support a fair solution.
>>>>
>>>> We welcome your feedback on this suggested approach. Please provide 
>>>> your input before 12 September 2016.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> Ingrid Wijte
>>>> Assistant Manager Registration Services
>>>> RIPE NCC 
>>>
>>
>>
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-- 
With respect,

*Larisa Yurkina*
RosNIIROS
Internet Number Resources Group / Chief Manager
l.yurkina at ripn.net <mailto:l.yurkina at ripn.net> / www.ripn.net 
<http://www.ripn.net>
Т.: +7 495 737-0604