[address-policy-wg] Update on ALLOCATED PI/UNSPECIFIED
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Patrick Velder
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Thu Aug 4 12:59:35 CEST 2016
Hi PI (Provider Independent) should be "Provider Independent" - any space which is assigned by a LIR is not really "provider independent". I think it's a good idea to change that. Regards Patrick On 04.08.2016 12:36, Larisa Yurkina wrote: > Patrick Velder пишет 04.08.2016 11:12: > > Hi >> >> Hello Ingrid >> >> That means, if a resource holder (ASSIGNED PI within ALLOCATED PI) >> has an "Independent Assignment Request and Maintenance Agreement" >> with the LIR, like end users which got their assignment direct from >> RIPE NCC, this assignment will become an assignment which is managed >> directly by RIPE NCC? >> >> Best regards >> Patrick >> >> > My LIR have got ALLOCATED PI and ALLOCATED UNSPECIFIED blocks about > 20 years ago, according to those days policy. Some part of address > space was not aggregated and was used as "ASSIGNED PI within ALLOCATED > PI", all of them have agreement with the LIR, which also was within > the policy, at least not against. Why should we change anything here? > Just because some LIRs lost their control over 50% of the address > space allocated to them? Perhaps there are some other ways to restore it? > > With respect, > *Larisa Yurkina* > RosNIIROS > Internet Number Resources Group / Chief Manager > l.yurkina at ripn.net <mailto:l.yurkina at ripn.net> / www.ripn.net > <http://www.ripn.net> > Т.: +7 495 737-0604 > >> On 04.08.2016 09:39, Ingrid Wijte wrote: >>> Dear colleagues, >>> >>> During RIPE 72, the RIPE NCC was asked to suggest a way forward with >>> regards to the unclear situation arising from address blocks in the >>> RIPE Database with the status ALLOCATED PI or ALLOCATED UNSPECIFIED. >>> We want to give you an update on this work and ask for your input. >>> >>> BACKGROUND >>> >>> Although PI assignments made by LIRs have the same status in the >>> RIPE Database, it is not clear if resource holders with assignments >>> from LIRs have the same rights as resource holders with those issued >>> by the RIPE NCC. The community, mainly End Users, has asked the RIPE >>> NCC to clarify the situation. >>> >>> In the early days of the RIPE NCC, a small number of LIRs received >>> allocations with the status ALLOCATED PI or ALLOCATED UNSPECIFIED. >>> From these address blocks, LIRs could assign ranges with the status >>> ASSIGNED PI. >>> The RIPE community later decided that the RIPE NCC should be the >>> only party assigning ranges with ASSIGNED PI to End Users. It was >>> not clear what the status of the assignments that had already been >>> made should be. >>> >>> ACTION TAKEN >>> >>> At RIPE 71, the Address Policy Working Group asked the RIPE NCC to >>> check the actual assignment status with the holders of these >>> allocations. We contacted all of the LIRs involved and around 50% >>> said they had no contact with holders of assignments with the status >>> ASSIGNED PI within their allocations. Several allocations containing >>> only PA assignments were converted from ALLOCATED UNSPECIFIED to >>> ALLOCATED PA following communication with LIRs. >>> >>> The RIPE NCC presented these results to the Address Policy Working >>> Group at RIPE 72. The WG stressed that data accuracy must have the >>> highest priority. It was further suggested that the RIPE NCC should >>> follow up with the LIRs on a case-by-case basis, following the >>> principles outlined below. >>> >>> The WG agreed that, where the LIR can document a mutual agreement >>> that they administer the address space, a conversion from PI to PA >>> should take place. In all other cases, assignments with the status >>> ASSIGNED PI should be treated as being assigned by the RIPE NCC. >>> >>> It was also stated that LIRs should not register any new assignments >>> with the status ASSIGNED PI, as policy no longer allows for new IPv4 >>> PI assignments (with the exception of IXP PI assignments from our >>> reserved address pool). >>> >>> APPROACH >>> >>> The RIPE NCC will contact the 38 LIRs holding allocations that >>> contain address blocks with the status ASSIGNED PI (3,600 inetnum >>> objects in total). >>> >>> In the following months, these LIRs will check if their RIPE >>> Database entries are still correct. Each LIR will check their >>> records and with their customers to see under what conditions the >>> assignments were originally provided. >>> >>> After the LIRs have finished their research, the RIPE NCC will: >>> >>> - Convert assignments to ASSIGNED PA if it can be documented that >>> the administrative responsibility lies with the LIR >>> - Follow up directly with resource holders of ASSIGNED PI to >>> apply the RIPE policy, “Contractual Requirements for Provider >>> Independent Resource Holders in the RIPE NCC Service Region”. The PI >>> assignments will become part of the address space managed by the >>> RIPE NCC just like all other PI space. Once the resource holders >>> have fulfilled the contractual requirements, they will have the same >>> rights and obligations as any other End User of PI space. >>> - Split the allocations to separate the PI assignments and >>> convert the blocks that remain with an LIR to ALLOCATED PA. >>> >>> We suggest giving these LIRs until the end of January 2017 to >>> clarify the status of the assignments within their ALLOCATED >>> PI/UNSPECIFIED allocations. >>> >>> In situations where a dispute arises between the LIR and the >>> assignment holder about the administrative responsibility, the RIPE >>> NCC will do its best to support a fair solution. >>> >>> We welcome your feedback on this suggested approach. Please provide >>> your input before 12 September 2016. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Ingrid Wijte >>> Assistant Manager Registration Services >>> RIPE NCC >> > >
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