[address-policy-wg] 2012-04 New Draft Document Published (PI Assignments from the last /8)
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Tore Anderson
tore.anderson at redpill-linpro.com
Tue Sep 11 10:52:10 CEST 2012
* Daniel Roesen > To those who ask for "same price tag" for both PA and PI on grounds of > "fairness"... What is fair in asking the same price for what is > essentially a one-time operation (PI assignment) compared to the ongoing > maintenance of a LIR membership (PA alloc - think about assignment > request tickets, yearly billing, etc.)? The comparsion I'm making is between an organistion that either: * Joins the NCC - becomes a LIR * Makes 1 initial allocation request - gets a /22 * Makes 1 PA assignment request (to itself) Cost: €1750 Or: * Makes 1 PI assignment request [through a sponsoring LIR] Cost: €50 I don't believe that the current prices are «fair» either. While the first option is certainly means work for the NCC, I doubt it is 35 times the work. The resource is scarce - it is impossible to accomplish «fair». In any case, the reason why I'd like PI and PA to cost about the same is that 2012-04 with the current pricing structure would mean it is too easy and cheap for an organisation to work around the «max a /24» limitation. I could trivially set up legal entities like so: * ToreISP Main Street 1-80 Oslo * ToreISP Main Street 81-120 Oslo * ToreISP Grand Avenue 20-35 Stockholm ...and so on, and get all the PI /24s I need. The organisations that are actually NCC members will end up sponsoring me, too - potentially ending up with even higher membership fees, as the Impact Analysis points out. It may be circumenting policy, but I don't think there's any way to stop it. (The NCC mentions this in the Impact Analysis, too.) That's why I think there must be a financial disincentive against doing so, and €50 doesn't cut it. I'll end with an example of something similar already taking place: Under .no, a single organisation can only register 100 domains. Which leads to organisations such as these: http://w2.brreg.no/enhet/sok/treffliste.jsp?navn=edda+domene This isn't the work of a shady domain pirate/squatter either, Edda a very large and respected media/publishing conglomerate here. -- Tore Anderson Redpill Linpro AS - http://www.redpill-linpro.com
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