[address-policy-wg] Easy to remember IP-address

On 30.03.2010 14:37, Masataka Ohta wrote:
> Sergey Gotsulyak wrote:
>
>   
>> For this project we?ll need an easy to remember IP-address, for
>> example like the one for Google Public DNS service (8.8.8.8)
>>     
> I'm afraid you typed wrong characters for "we'll", which is
> a problem, among many, of unicode
>
> Anyway, 4 byte addresses of IPv4 is not so bad to memorize.
>
> You are right, however, that IPv6 addresses are impossible to
> remember not only for end users but also for network operators,
> which is one of a reason why IPv6 is NOT deployable.
>   
Sorry, but you must be one sieve-brain (is there such a word in
english?) of a network operator if you aren't able to remember your /32
prefix ..
As for end users - end users do not have to remember ANY IPs ... that's
what DHCP, DNS etc. are for, as well as (if necessary) documents given
to end users when they sign up and receive their login information... or
would you state that the initial setup information for a dial-up account
(e.g. username/password) is shorter than some single IP-address (both v4
and v6)?

Please stop spreading FUD about IPv6, just because _YOU_ are either
incapable or unwilling to deploy IPv6 doesn't mean that the other
currently >2000 prefix owners would prefer to wait another n years to
see whether your RFC-draft would be implemented by one single vendor ...

> The magic number for memory is 7. That is, one can easily remember
> 4 bytes and may be able to remember 8 bytes. However, it is virtually
> impossible to remember 16 bytes.
>   
Let's see. "ipv6.google.com". Looks easy to remember to me. And my
computer - what a surprise - automagically converts that to those
"impossible" to remember numbers like 2a00:1450:8001::63. Just like
that. Seems like at least the computer had no trouble at all remembering
them ...
Oh, and I have no trouble remembering the IPs for my mailserver ... both
v4 and v6 ... along with several dozens of other v4 and v6 addresses for
personal and customer servers, firewalls and routers that I need more or
less ... as do many if not all of our tech staff ... and in case
somebody may not remember a specific IP from time to time - that's what
documentation is for ...

> That is, for fairness, IPv6 is unusable.
>   
for you, maybe. Now go home and play with your draft while the rest of
the world goes ahead with technical progress ...

> Instead, everyone should be able to remember 4 byte IPv4
> addresses and 2 byte short port numbers as was documented in
> <draft-ohta-e2e-nat-00.txt>
>   
Exactly. Because "www.site1.de:1234" and "www.site2.com:1324" and
"www.site3.org:1243" are so d at mn easy to remember for the
average-joe-enduser ... compared to impossible to remember
"www.site1.de", "www.site2.com" and "www.site3.org", which unnoticed by
the enduser are resolved to either IPv4 or IPv6 addresses and just
simply work ... now tell me, what exactly does the end user gain from
sticking with YAPOSNL? (yet another POS nat layer)

-gg