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RE: data point - anonymous E.164 number usage

  • To: "'Conroy, Lawrence (SMTP)'" < >
    Michael Haberler < >
  • From: Brandner Rudolf < >
  • Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:15:34 +0100
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Hi Lawrence, Michael,

Even if you have kind of 'registration', like in Germany, it is of no use. If I buy a Pre-Payed, I have to fill out a form and produce some kind of ID. After some time, I decide to sell the phone to someone called A. This person then decides to sell the phone to a person called B. As the Pre-Payed Cards are activated by a key being printed on that card, noone knows, who actually is using this phone and number. Regarding ENUM, this situation is going to be a pain.

Lawrence:
> before a Pre-Pay can be "activated".
Is the phone activated or any card I bought at the local grocery?

Many thanks,
Rudi


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> Behalf Of Conroy, Lawrence (SMTP) > Sent: Freitag, 27. Februar 2004 00:39 > To: Michael Haberler > Cc: enum-l@localhost enum-trials@localhost enum-trial@localhost > Subject: Re: data point - anonymous E.164 number usage > > > Hi Michael, folks, > In the UK, there seems to be a move to requiring > registration online > before a Pre-Pay can be "activated". > Note - anonymous purchase, but registered use. > > For example, Vodafone have an online registration system that > we tried > to consider in the UK trial as part of a streamlined authentication > system. > > Of course, the number of phones Mickey Mouse must have is large, but > it's a step away from anonymity (or towards big brother - the > choice is > not yours). > > all the best, > Lawrence > > On 26 Feb 2004, at 7:39 pm, Michael Haberler wrote: > > > In the context of validation of numbers for ENUM, I have tried to > > estimate the amount of mobile users which have totally anonymously > > bought a prepaid SIM card, or in other words, users of > E.164 numbers > > which have no trace at all in a phonebook or other records. > > > > In the EU, all countries except Germany, Hungary and Italy permit > > totally anonymous purchase of prepaid SIM cards. This > indicates that > > about 65% of the EU population have access to anonymous > mobile service > > (even in Italy, just a taxpayer code is needed which is not > subscriber > > data but allows to track down a user for law enforcement - but lets > > leave that out for the sake of argument; in France I understand a > > record is made for purposes of recovering a lost SIM card > but not for > > proof of identity). > > > > There are about 400 Million mobile users in Europe, and > penetration > > of prepaid is about 40%. Assuming that nobody registers if > he doesnt > > have to, and multiplying those figures a ballpark estimate is that > > there are about 100 Million E.164 numbers in use in Europe > without any > > subscriber data just through the use of prepaid SIM cards. > > > > -Michael >

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